Re: Oil Filter
[Re: dragracedr]
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05/05/24 12:43 PM
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2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: Oil Filter
[Re: CMcAllister]
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05/05/24 08:23 PM
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Race motor? This, or some version of it, and don't look back I always had bearing wear issues with the system 1 filters. Guy that does my machine work and builds circle track engines talked me into going back to a paper element filter years ago and the wear issues went away. IMO the system 1 filters screen the oil instead of filtering it. The 61 micron Wix does a better job of filtering than a 45 micron system 1 did on my engine. My bearings were reused with the Wix, and we never could with the System 1. YMMV
67 Barracuda street/bracket car 11.27-119 68 Dart 502 BB 5.44-126 414 cid SB Dragster 7.65-174
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Re: Oil Filter
[Re: cudaman1969]
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05/06/24 03:13 AM
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I started using JoMar filters about five years ago. So far everything looks good. My reasoning for using the Jomar is a) non-bypass design for used with bushed lifters and b)quality control. I run Delo 400 or Shell Rotella 15-w40 in almost everything.
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Re: Oil Filter
[Re: cudaman1969]
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05/10/24 07:27 AM
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I’m not running a filter, too much restriction -hp loss. Stick a bunch of magnets in the pan and valley to catch the iron particles. Aluminum and brass won’t hurt anything. If engine blows no filter will save you, it’s over so fast you can’t shut it down quick enough. Streets a different animal. Besides how can dirt get into a closed engine unless you’re racing in a plowed field or building it out under the oak tree. First start up use plain jane oil for 5-10 minutes then change out to the good stuff. Use the magnetic drain plug, if it’s got trash on it pull the pan and start checking. Aluminum degrades into aluminum oxide, the grit used in sandpaper, and does so VERY fast.After grinding clearance in my new aluminum block, and missing some fine aluminum particles during cleanup, it took out my bearings (scratched) and the crank needed to be polished. So filters are vital. I firmly believe multiple filters that allow enough fine filtering and flow, along with a well designed magnetic filter to catch fine iron particles would be a good way to go.
8.582, 160.18 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky
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Re: Oil Filter
[Re: cudaman1969]
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05/10/24 11:02 AM
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I’m not running a filter, too much restriction -hp loss... Seems like you could find a safer way to squeeze out a bit more performance w/o sacrificing engine durability. And that's ASSuming you can verify that removing the filter does, in fact, show improved on-track performance.
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: Oil Filter
[Re: Brad_Haak]
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05/10/24 06:51 PM
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I’m not running a filter, too much restriction -hp loss... Seems like you could find a safer way to squeeze out a bit more performance w/o sacrificing engine durability. And that's ASSuming you can verify that removing the filter does, in fact, show improved on-track performance. Ok, why do we remove the air filter or run the drag car without one? Anything that restricts flow..
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Re: Oil Filter
[Re: cudaman1969]
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05/10/24 09:01 PM
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I’m not running a filter, too much restriction -hp loss. Stick a bunch of magnets in the pan and valley to catch the iron particles. Aluminum and brass won’t hurt anything. If engine blows no filter will save you, it’s over so fast you can’t shut it down quick enough. Streets a different animal. Besides how can dirt get into a closed engine unless you’re racing in a plowed field or building it out under the oak tree. First start up use plain jane oil for 5-10 minutes then change out to the good stuff. Use the magnetic drain plug, if it’s got trash on it pull the pan and start checking. How much did your oil pressure change after bypassing the filter ?
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Re: Oil Filter
[Re: Cab_Burge]
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Jomar 100% No-bypass filters are all I use. They flow a massive amount of oil and have a thicker shell. So far, they have protected my bearings from contamination keeping them clean in spite of my valve train suffering excessive wear and damage and the subsequent metal slurry going into the oil pan..
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's 1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: Oil Filter
[Re: Cab_Burge]
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The spring height was insufficiently set, resulting in less spring pressure than was required to control the hydraulic roller lifters. By the time I noticed it, the issue resulted in all the needle bearings in my exhaust-side T&D Rockers disintegrated. My intake pushrods were close enough to the outside of the intake ports to touch them when they began to flex from the harmonics caused by valve float.This was not the case with the exhaust pushrods. They were isolated from contact with anything other than the two ends. This allowed them to effectively turn into a roller bearing destroying harmonic resonance.
Dwayne Porter figured out what went wrong, and helped me switch over to solid rollers. I never looked back.
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's 1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: Oil Filter
[Re: cudaman1969]
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05/11/24 07:59 PM
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I’m not running a filter, too much restriction -hp loss. Stick a bunch of magnets in the pan and valley to catch the iron particles. Aluminum and brass won’t hurt anything. If engine blows no filter will save you, it’s over so fast you can’t shut it down quick enough. Streets a different animal. Besides how can dirt get into a closed engine unless you’re racing in a plowed field or building it out under the oak tree. First start up use plain jane oil for 5-10 minutes then change out to the good stuff. Use the magnetic drain plug, if it’s got trash on it pull the pan and start checking. How much has this improved your ET and MPH? I’m not running a filter, too much restriction -hp loss. Stick a bunch of magnets in the pan and valley to catch the iron particles. Aluminum and brass won’t hurt anything. If engine blows no filter will save you, it’s over so fast you can’t shut it down quick enough. Streets a different animal. Besides how can dirt get into a closed engine unless you’re racing in a plowed field or building it out under the oak tree. First start up use plain jane oil for 5-10 minutes then change out to the good stuff. Use the magnetic drain plug, if it’s got trash on it pull the pan and start checking. How much did your oil pressure change after bypassing the filter ? Excellent question
440, 4-Speed, 3.54 1968, when Dinosaurs ruled the Earth
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Re: Oil Filter
[Re: metallicareload]
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05/12/24 10:01 AM
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cudaman1969
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I’m not running a filter, too much restriction -hp loss. Stick a bunch of magnets in the pan and valley to catch the iron particles. Aluminum and brass won’t hurt anything. If engine blows no filter will save you, it’s over so fast you can’t shut it down quick enough. Streets a different animal. Besides how can dirt get into a closed engine unless you’re racing in a plowed field or building it out under the oak tree. First start up use plain jane oil for 5-10 minutes then change out to the good stuff. Use the magnetic drain plug, if it’s got trash on it pull the pan and start checking. How much has this improved your ET and MPH? I’m not running a filter, too much restriction -hp loss. Stick a bunch of magnets in the pan and valley to catch the iron particles. Aluminum and brass won’t hurt anything. If engine blows no filter will save you, it’s over so fast you can’t shut it down quick enough. Streets a different animal. Besides how can dirt get into a closed engine unless you’re racing in a plowed field or building it out under the oak tree. First start up use plain jane oil for 5-10 minutes then change out to the good stuff. Use the magnetic drain plug, if it’s got trash on it pull the pan and start checking. How much did your oil pressure change after bypassing the filter ? Excellent question Can’t find my notes yet
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