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Re: Ride along with me on converting to EFI [Re: Pyper70] #3229880
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I was today years old when i found out it's called swaging


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Re: Ride along with me on converting to EFI [Re: Pyper70] #3229897
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Originally Posted by Pyper70
How can i make these flares for the fuel lines? I think i need to edit my fuel line because I'm running subframe connectors and i need to make a splice since i can't eat the pipe into place like factory. My flaring tool is for 37° conical breaker lives and i think doing that for fuel line with a rubber hose offer the connection is going to cut the line. I'm looking to make this type of connection below.

I already cut a 1/2" hole into my subframe and placed a pipe in to weld up and strengthen the passage. Also below


Not exactly the same but i always just did the first step of a double flare, but not mashed completely.

Re: Ride along with me on converting to EFI [Re: B1MAXX] #3230089
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Originally Posted by B1MAXX
Not exactly the same but i always just did the first step of a double flare, but not mashed completely.



been doing that for 45 years up

Re: Ride along with me on converting to EFI [Re: TJP] #3231673
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Had a few days off from work and turned the wrench a few more times on her this weekend.

Got the reed float and the fuel pump installed. Bench tested it wet and all works there. The sleeve was interesting to slip over the pump. Used long drill bits to reduce the surface tension and enlarged the sleeve. Slipped right in. Installed weather-tite connections on everything but decided to just use blue 12v male/female terminals so there is more surface to carry the amps. Soldered everything, heat sink, etc.

Painted up the fuel tank straps and added insulation from my drywall 😂.

Started installing the fuel lines but i forgot about the weld-in subframe connectors. That was a PITA. opened up the subgenre and welded in an oversized pipe so i can maintain a rigidity.

Have a few more connections to make where I swagged the pipe
Ran out of hose clamps.
Next up is the electrical, I am trying to source a relay/fuse box so i can make a cleaner install of everything aftermarket in my ride. Local shops don't have anything helpful 🫤

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Re: Ride along with me on converting to EFI [Re: Pyper70] #3231728
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EFI is a sweet upgrade. Check out Marine electrical components. I find them to be of higher quality in general. West Marine is one of dozens of places that sell really cool relay and fusing components.


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Re: Ride along with me on converting to EFI [Re: Pyper70] #3231743
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What your doing in your part of the world must be very challenging and a lot harder "running out of those clamps" than doing the same conversion here in the U.S. bow up
Good on You twocents


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Re: Ride along with me on converting to EFI [Re: Cab_Burge] #3232259
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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
What your doing in your part of the world must be very challenging and a lot harder "running out of those clamps" than doing the same conversion here in the U.S. bow up
Good on You twocents


You'd be amazed. Finding things that fit is a bit tough but i have some tools that i can modify parts. I found a few guys that i can call and we can source or fabricate what we need. Ordering parts takes about 3 months for large items. With a few guys that I know and what we're working on we usually put a summit order all together so it comes in one box and we only pay customs tariffs once.

I wasn't happy with the vent tube. Looks something that backwoods guys would do. Got some black tubing meant for ether and made this below today. It's going to continue on towards the filler neck tube and I'm going to step it down to an 8 mm with a brass T and join it up to the factory vent.

Trying to find time between work and social life to work on her. Tried locating 3/8" stainless fuel line which is daunting. I only need a 3' piece. Most guys here just run rubber tubing from front to back but that's cheesy to me. Great way for dry rot or worse...a rock

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Re: Ride along with me on converting to EFI [Re: Pyper70] #3232272
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Originally Posted by Pyper70
Tried locating 3/8" stainless fuel line which is daunting. I only need a 3' piece. Most guys here just run rubber tubing from front to back but that's cheesy to me. Great way for dry rot or worse...a rock


Actually, stainless can be susceptible to work hardening, depends on the type. Which means a rubber hose could be more durable in the long run.

https://www.cnccookbook.com/work-hardening-strain-hardening-machinists-guide/

But proper mounting of the SS line fixes that concern.

Re: Ride along with me on converting to EFI [Re: Pyper70] #3232314
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not trying to be a smart a$$, but if it were me, i would use fuel injection clamps on the plastic tubing on your tank instead of the worm clamps shown in the picture.
those are a 360 degree clamp, would seal better, and wouldn't dig into the plastic line like the worm clamps shown could possibly do.
just my opinion, so please don't take offense.
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What are "fuel injection clamps" ???

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they are a "band style" clamp with a single bolt you tighten until the opposing ends touch.

example : https://www.ebay.com/itm/204427584383?

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Re: Ride along with me on converting to EFI [Re: Pyper70] #3232415
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A stainless guy HUH??? Ever heard of Swagelok fittings? they are far superior to the crap earls and oter supplier push off on people. Google them smile
and BTW I happen to have a 50 ft. roll of 3/8, 316SS instrument grade tubing along with a good assortment of Swagelok fittings in various sizes up to 1/2 tube. Most are 3/8 with a few 1/4". PM me if interested as I no longer have a need for either.
an example of the tube & fittings in the pic wink

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Re: Ride along with me on converting to EFI [Re: TJP] #3232588
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Originally Posted by TJP
A stainless guy HUH??? Ever heard of Swagelok fittings? they are far superior to the crap earls and oter supplier push off on people. Google them smile
and BTW I happen to have a 50 ft. roll of 3/8, 316SS instrument grade tubing along with a good assortment of Swagelok fittings in various sizes up to 1/2 tube. Most are 3/8 with a few 1/4". PM me if interested as I no longer have a need for either.
an example of the tube & fittings in the pic wink


It sure is pretty but I live in Greece. I haven't driven my car since last November. I was the guy using bending tools and double flares with brass tees and NPT fittings. I bought the pre-bent 3/8" lines from inline tubing. I bought stainless clamps and those are going on. I bought insulated cable clamps. I wish i could call Summit and order things at random . I used to live down the street from Earl's and they would help me out. I have medical grade stainless on order through a friend as we speak and its $130 for 10 feet of tubing because I want to make some unforeseen bends because I forgot I had subframe connectors welded in.

The wrap around hose clamps might be a nice addition. i will see if I can source them locally but every shop I have called forparts has told me "everyone just installs kevlar (or braided) fuel hose...just use that. Thats the hokey way. I like metal. As for the AN fittings, yeah, they are expensive. I just paid $200 bucks for 7 fittings so I can finish the job and hopefully get her on the road soon. Summer is here and I need to burn my wallet on fuel.

The Swagelok fittings look nice. again, I live in Europe...I am just happy I found a place with Army Navy fittings 30min from my house. It took me 4 days of finding a swag tool so I can flare out the ends of the pipe and give the hose clamps something to prevent slipping off.


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Re: Ride along with me on converting to EFI [Re: moparx] #3232589
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Originally Posted by moparx
not trying to be a smart a$$, but if it were me, i would use fuel injection clamps on the plastic tubing on your tank instead of the worm clamps shown in the picture.
those are a 360 degree clamp, would seal better, and wouldn't dig into the plastic line like the worm clamps shown could possibly do.
just my opinion, so please don't take offense.
beer


it's just a vent tube. Nothing to be alarmed about. I heated up the ether tube and slipped it over. The one fitting is push-lok and doesn't need a clamp. What I did was overkill laugh


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I have medical grade stainless on order through a friend as we speak


What's the point of "medical grade" ??

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I have medical grade stainless on order through a friend as we speak


What's the point of "medical grade" ??


It's not cheap chinesium crap that'll rust.

Re: Ride along with me on converting to EFI [Re: Pyper70] #3232748
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Originally Posted by Pyper70
Originally Posted by moparx
not trying to be a smart a$$, but if it were me, i would use fuel injection clamps on the plastic tubing on your tank instead of the worm clamps shown in the picture.
those are a 360 degree clamp, would seal better, and wouldn't dig into the plastic line like the worm clamps shown could possibly do.
just my opinion, so please don't take offense.
beer


it's just a vent tube. Nothing to be alarmed about. I heated up the ether tube and slipped it over. The one fitting is push-lok and doesn't need a clamp. What I did was overkill laugh



up sorry for the confusion on my part.
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