Slow Starting 5.9 Cummins - Update
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Posted this on the Q&A forum but not getting many replies, so I'll try here.
My 2003 5.9 Cummins HO is getting harder to start. I've owned it since new and it has 220,000 miles, about 90% highway, with about 20% of that towing. it's always had a stock tune. About two years I noticed it was getting a little slower to start. Instead of firing right off it might take six or seven revolutions to fire. Then a year ago it was taking significantly longer at times. I have gauges on it and the rail pressure was slow to build. It would fire as soon as it got to 1.5 kpsia. I replaced the relief valve since that is easy and no change. I then retorqued the cross tubes and that made it about 90% better. Now it's back to where it was. When I retorqued the cross tubes I was worried if it they had been leaking for some time that it might have cut a groove in the tubes or injector recess, so I'm not too surprised the problem came back.
So, the question is, what should I do now? Try retorquing the cross tubes again? Try new cross tubes? Or bite the bullet and replace the injectors along with the cross tubes? Once it builds 1.5kpsia it fires off quickly, no smoke, idles smooth and no change in fuel mileage. (I have been hand calculating the fuel mileage since it was new.)
I know that at 220,000 I'm on borrowed time on the original injectors, but if they don't need to be replaced, I can use the money elsewhere. If I do need injectors where is a good place to buy stock OEM injectors?
Any other advice? The batteries are new. (They aren't cheap either!)
Thanks for your help.
Last edited by HemiSportFury; 03/14/24 02:29 PM.
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Re: Slow Starting 5.9 Cummins
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What gauge do you have that shows rail pressure? Edge Insite CTS
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Re: Slow Starting 5.9 Cummins
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Has the fuel pump been replaced?
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Re: Slow Starting 5.9 Cummins
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Has the fuel pump been replaced? Lift pump yes, main pump no. I monitor lift pump pressure, along with rail pressure, boost, EGT and with separate gauges real oil pressure and trans temp (even though it's a manual). I replace the lift pump when the pressure starts to drop (still has filter mounted pump so they are good for about 80,000 miles). Since it improved so much when I retorqued the feed tubes my logic was the maim pump must be ok. No loss in power or how it runs, just slow start.
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Re: Slow Starting 5.9 Cummins
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[quote=dart4forte]What are the outside temps [/quote
Inside a garage. 50 degrees.
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Re: Slow Starting 5.9 Cummins
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[quote=dart4forte]What are the outside temps [/quote
Inside a garage. 50 degrees. Wonder if there’s a power draw besides the starter or maybe a dead short?
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03 common rail needed better filtration….. like when they FINALLY went to dual filters.
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Thought I would post an update on this problem. Didn't get a lot of love on this site but Cumminsforum had a lot of helpful information. I just installed a set of BBI injectors and it starts instantly now.
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Re: Slow Starting 5.9 Cummins
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Thought I would post an update on this problem. Didn't get a lot of love on this site but Cumminsforum had a lot of helpful information. I just installed a set of BBI injectors and it starts instantly now. Cross tubes along with your injectors ? Did you go back to stock HP or bump it up a little ? I have a 98 24V so I'm not versed in the common rail stuff , Glad you found the issue.
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Re: Slow Starting 5.9 Cummins
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Thought I would post an update on this problem. Didn't get a lot of love on this site but Cumminsforum had a lot of helpful information. I just installed a set of BBI injectors and it starts instantly now. Did you replace the turbo?
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