maybe former Marine fighter pilot Bob Lutz would agree with James “Spider” Marks who is a retired U.S. Army major general.

https://www.realcleardefense.com/ar...rmine_our_national_security_1010378.html

I agree with but when they do get into that market they get bashed. Just note the comments on the Hornet as an example. They are trying to cash in on the small SUV market but got bashed here. They MUST build things for the "non car-guy". Granted, we want V8's and mostly RWD...I'm in that group. But they must also have cash cows as well. The Grand Caravan and Voyager use to fill this slot. Not many of us wanted one of those though. Of course, they must build decent quality and market them properly too. I think they were on the right track with the 200, especially a 3.6 one. But the dang lifter issue didn't help, and POOR marketing.

Not to mention that most Dodge/ Ram etc. salesman are idiots and clueless.. back in 2021 I was going to order a new Ram 1500 short bed / regular cab 4WD most sales people were clueless about trucks .. isn't that what they sell the most of ? After going to several dealerships , I drove 35 miles to a dealership and it went well .. the salesgirl was very helpful and knowledgeable after waiting five months for it to come in , she called me to tell me a quad cab with the options I wanted came in so I bought it. The general manager on the other hand was an idiot and ruined what was otherwise a good experience. The dealer I went to also has a few other dealerships and it turns out two of my friends had a bad experience with the same general manager when he worked at their GMC dealership. Prices are ridiculous !!! my 21 listed for $50,000 my 92 D150 listed for $15,000 they are equipped differently but still !!!... in 21 a 2500 model truck was $45,000 actually less than the 1500 I really like my 21 I only really tow with it as it only has 10,000 miles on it in almost 3 years... I was thinking about upgrading to a 2500 .. in 21 they were $45,000 now in 24 they are close to $70,000 !!! my 21 isn't going anywhere !!!

I got the itch again to get a new challenger a few weeks ago. I found one by my house that is close, but one glaring thing I don’t want. Searched and found one in another state. Local one is ten percent under sticker, it’s been sitting since LAST SPRING. they recently raised the price a couple grand. Guess that will get it moved? Pile of challengers at that place too boot.

Called the place with one I like. Stuck to online price at sticker. I explain these things are piled up like chord wood coast to coast. Need to be about ten percent under sticker to get it done, even sent them the ad for local one, it clearly states in a banner that they will price match. These fools not only refused to negotiate, they continue to contact me to see if I want the car. Only if you get reasonably close to what many others are offering for similar cars. This is a Scat pak. There are like 5k of these things left. Hour from me place has a dozen hellcats, under sticker on all. No way I’d buy a scat for sticker when I can get a hellcat for not much more. 1300 hellcats on lots nationwide btw.

I don’t see how the dealers can take this and sure don’t see how fca can fumble around much longer.

Here in Houston the lots are full of Chargers and Challengers, I still have yet to see a Hornet on the road and I commute 60 miles a day across the metro area of 7 million people.

Close. I think Stellantis will kill off Dodge and Chrysler, but keep Ram and Jeep. They have lots of production capacity worldwide, and I can see Stellantis moving production of Ram and Jeep to other facilities/countries.

I’m glad to see NS1….. keeps killing off those old pos lifetime max care warranty vehicles still out there.

IMO... they might be living on borrowed time. But I do think they would keep Ram/Jeep for Asia and Europe market.

They would never just "kill" Dodge/Chrysler/Ram/Jeep. If that was gonna happen it would have under Daimler. Best case they chop off the American unit and sell it, a repeat of what happened in 2007 but this time they'd have a fighting chance due to it not being a massive recession with 3 million auto sales evaporating overnight like they did back then. Jeep might work globally but Ram doesn't - it would have to be sold as a package. Wont happen though, Tavares will be replaced with (if they are smart) 2 CEO's, one for America and one for Europe

For the longest time SUVs, trucks and crossovers are all that Americans are willing to buy. When I type Buy I mean "Finance." Consumers often reveal they need to be protected from themselves. I believe car buying is one of those instances. We all know the guy or gal who is pay check to paycheck- even paying utilities late every month because they are financially stretched. (Poor, broke or both!) But yet violla- they show up to work one day in a brand new F150 4x4 or equivalent. "I got it for zero down and financed for 8 years......." They have a new expensive vehicle but they also have a new $700 plus per month payment. Lenders should base what customers can borrow based on income and credit worthiness. Lenders now are doing this but it took something called "Repo Apocalypse" to make lenders do this. Many folks have financed a new $65,000 vehicle when they really should be in a front wheel drive 4 cylinder car- economy car not that those even exist anymore at least from the domestics. When the domestics make an economy car it cant be a piece of junk that is done 1 mile and one day out of factory warranty. If one has the credit score and income to qualify for that $90,000 Silverado than God bless them let them enjoy their vehicle. But all the Single moms and broke Harrys and Bills- they need to think logically about their commitments to a vehicle purchase.

Yup, the cash cow - Jeep & Ram ! . . . Don't forget this is European owned company that doesn't think like north americans ! . . . They killed off the "affordable" SUV that Dodge had (Journey) without having a replacement anywhere near. The Journey wasn't "great" - but for the $$$ you got ton of content ! . . . only had 300 & Pacifica for Chrysler products ?!?!? . . . seems like have been too late into market with the products that actually sell - Jeep Grand Wagoneer ??? . . . bring that out just when big rigs like that are not going to sell much ?? Pump up pricing, cause the market suggests you can ?!?!? . . . not when your product is thought of as being a "lower cost" product . . .

Rebadged European product . . . phett . . . How are those 'Alfa Romeo' vehicles selling in north america ?!?!? . . . not . . . . .

Love to see Mopar live on . . . but in todays world, just seems like their decisions are not what public wants . . .

I have to agree with chargervert. Stellantis will eventually decide it's just too much bother for them and sell all of the Chrysler assets which by that time will be Jeep and Ram. The rest will go into history like Plymouth and DeSoto.