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Re: Gear Ratio Changes? [Re: gregsdart] #3197707
12/15/23 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by gregsdart
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A starting line ratio of 9/1 is very close to optimum, maybe a tad high. 4.88 x 1.8 would be 8.78, not too much unless you have very large stroker motor. I get away with 11.17 due to using a soft launch (low rpm) and 33 inch tall tires.


I’m interested in what you are trying to say here. It’s a 500ci Indy maxx aluminum block, just 4.15 stroke.

In my the case, i have 549 cubes, 52% on the front, 2.45 low gear torqueflite, 4.56 rear gears, 30 inch ladderbars, 106 inch wheelbase.
Converter flashes to 6200, shift 7600 rpm or more. The best 60 ft so far is 1.224, and that was with a throttle controller.
The throttle controller keeps throttle at about 10 percent open ,or 3800 rpm till trans brake is released, then takes about .10 to fully open, resulting in a very soft hit and no violent hit on the wheeliebars. This was my first shot at a low rpm launch, but gave me the best 60ft ever.
In your case, with a 1.800 first gear you could leave at 4000, to 4500rpm, run a 4.56 to 4.88 rear gear, and have a KILLER consistant car. The 4.56 might be my choice, because it will be deep enough for near best performance, yet allow your shift to happen further down track for great consistancy, and you stll will be able to run 1/4 mile if desired.
Good double adjustable shocks are important . Consider that an 8.0 starting line ratio multiplies engine torque EIGHT times after the converter doubles it! 700 ft lbs becomes 11, 200 ft lbs at the axles, and. Your springs and shocks have to tame that, and apply it smoothly .



It’s a 4link with double adjustable afcos front and rear.
I will never be running 1/4 mile with this car.
I’m aligning with what you are saying. I was thinking 4.56 or 4.88s myself.

Re: Gear Ratio Changes? [Re: MoparJason0O0] #3197716
12/15/23 11:40 AM
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Are you planning on staying at 650 hp or are you thinking of adding power to the car? A 500 inch aluminum block engine can easily handle a lot more than 650 hp so you might only be a cam swap or head swap away from a lot more power.

Are you running a 9 inch rear? That makes it easier to swap gears and there are a lot more choices. It also gives you the ability to have a spare chuck all set up and ready to drop in.

Re: Gear Ratio Changes? [Re: AndyF] #3197833
12/15/23 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyF
Are you planning on staying at 650 hp or are you thinking of adding power to the car? A 500 inch aluminum block engine can easily handle a lot more than 650 hp so you might only be a cam swap or head swap away from a lot more power.

Are you running a 9 inch rear? That makes it easier to swap gears and there are a lot more choices. It also gives you the ability to have a spare chuck all set up and ready to drop in.


If I could work on it launching harder, I might be ok with the current HP. I am wanting to buy some bigger heads, but that might be 1-2 years away.
It’s a ford 9”

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Which heads do you have on the engine now? My old 514 made 900 hp with Indy EZ heads. https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/modify-carburetor-run-oxygenated-race-gas/

Re: Gear Ratio Changes? [Re: AndyF] #3197870
12/16/23 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by AndyF
Which heads do you have on the engine now? My old 514 made 900 hp with Indy EZ heads. https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/modify-carburetor-run-oxygenated-race-gas/

Along with Andys question, can you provide engine specs, as IMHO It would be a good idea to formulate a long term plan hear. If that works for you, selecting parts to compliment your end goal will help you get there and save $$ in the process.
Right now i am wondering how much torque your trans can take, bore /stroke combo, etc. For a glide/bracket car, too many cubes is about right. That may be a better place to start? Especially if there is a crank/rod combo that will use current pistons.
An example would be a 572 shortblock with small heads, like ported SRs. Low maintenance, tons of torque, all done by 6500 rpm?


8.582, 160.18 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky
Re: Gear Ratio Changes? [Re: MoparJason0O0] #3197992
12/16/23 03:17 PM
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I have tested several different rear gear ratios in my old pump gas Duster, 3:73, 3:91,4:10 and 4:30 in the 8 3/4 housing using 742 carriers for all of those ratios, I saw no noticeable change in the time slips in the 1/8 mile and 1/4 mile. That was with a six pack intake and magic carbs confused shruggy That car weighed 3450 lbs. with me in it with a full tank of gas in the stock gas tank
That car ran a best of 9.99 at 134.+ MPH corked up using Oregon 92 octane pump swill with the air cleaner on through the full 3.0 exhaust system exiting at the rear bumper work
My last bracket car weighed 2850 lbs. with me in it and it would run 5.50 in the 1/8 mile at 125.MPH, 8.86 ET at 150. MPH in the 1/4 mile on E85 with a very similar motor as the Duster with higher compression running on E85. That car was a 1970 Cuda all out full chrome moly chassis with a glide and several different converters in it, stalled at 5600 RPM against the trans brake at WOT and shifted between 7000 RPM at first and later shifted it at 7300 RPM which picked the MPH only up in the 1/4 mile by 2.0 MPH shock shruggy
That car had 4.56 gears in the Dana 60 with a four link coil over rear suspension that worked very well,1.23 60 fts. boogie up 15x33x15 inch Goodyear slicks on 15 inch wide rear rims up

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