Entry-level low HP N2O kits?
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Never messed with N2O, but I'm curious about the budget kits rated up to 150 (75 / 100 / 125 / 150?). Interested in what people here can tell me, in case I decide to play around w/ it at some point. Thx
Edit: The old car, not the 1320
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2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: Entry-level low HP N2O kits?
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Nitrous Express makes nice stuff.
The Mainline kit is very versatile for a small kit and goes from 100 to 250. It has a billet plate.
We used it for a few years and finally upgraded.
A Leash Electronics single stage board makes wiring nitrous super simple and puts all the fuses and relays in one area. We hid it on the interior firewall.
'63 Dodge 330 11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs. 10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.
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Billet plates make the most sense- they're the most durable. The old school NOS style plates can fail where the tubes are epoxied in.
How automated do you want it to be? I have my kit set up with a NOS mini progressive controller and it interfaces with a MSD retard box. All I have to do is turn the master switch on and open the bottle, everything else is handled automatically, I wanted to make it idiot proof. For a super small shot you can get away with just a manual button on the shifter or something.
Edit: also- the cheaper kits also usually omit things like a purge valve or have lower end components. You can purge through the motor but you have to be careful with this method. Usually the more expensive kits are more complete and come with better solenoids, etc.
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thought about it one time , only in a 3rd gear shot to gain more mph It works better the earlier you hit it. It's really hard for spray to make much difference in 3rd gear. When I first used it I was spraying it after the 60ft. and was amazed at how much the e.t. improved hitting it off the line.
'63 Dodge 330 11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs. 10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.
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For a beginner, the best thing would be to buy a billet plate from Induction Solutions. It will come flowed and have all info, plus you will get probably the best support you could find, as well as they literally sell everything you will need.
After that i would recommend NX they also make some nice billet plates
Be careful what info you read on the internet as most can be misleading. Up to 175 hp i dont see how you could screw anything up, as long as you pulling timing LOL
A controller would be a great addition, as well as an ignition that will pull timing for you.
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Good info, folks. Thx for the replies. FWIW, this is me playing "What if..." wrt Capitol having their Friday night "King of The Hill" stuff in conjunction w/ their T&T events during the season. I see a wide variety of cars involved, so putting a small kit on my old car might help it be more in the mix before getting taken out by a Tesla Plaid or something else going that much faster than me ![eek eek](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/eek.gif)
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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The basic NOS Power Shot and Super Power Shot kits are nice easy bolt on kits. I sprayed dozens of mine and my buddies cars over the years. I currently have Power Shot hidden under my air cleaner on my 440 New Yorker. A 2 stage 125/250 Shot plate kit on my Roached Runner and 2 foggers on my 528" Hemi in my Challenger. Never blown up an engine because of nitrous. Just don't get greedy with the tunes.
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Also worth mentioning, nitrous is addictive. Dropping ET's is just a 7/16" wrench away. I'd suggest at least protecting for being able to spray 250-ish and buy decent parts. If it isn't for you, an Induction Solutions plate is super, super easy to resell.
And - Monte and Tony have preached this, timing is everything with nitrous. Lean at worst will melt the center out of a piston. Rich will hurt ring lands, and rich with too much timing is the worst combo of all. Keep the timing safe.
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I sprayed my Slant with a 150 shot off the horn button for a couple years.
One thing I was taught was to not snap the throttle shut at the stripe with a switch on the carb. The fuel side will continue to dribble a little fuel and get the top ring lands when it ignites. Been there, done that.
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A few ideas for mounting solenoids, the cordless battery mount we built to keep the bottle warm, the easy to wire Leash board and the JAZ jr. Dragster supplemental fuel cell we mounted up front. The bottle heater setup uses a pressure switch that shuts off the battery when the bottle reaches a set pressure. The dock is a 3D printed piece from Amazon. The whole thing uses rubber isolator feet from an MSD box for mounting.
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'63 Dodge 330 11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs. 10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.
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Used a 100 - 250 plate kit on my old 318 in the mid 90's, it was a lot of fun and it would embarrass a lot of big blocks as it was running mid to high 12's. Pretty sure it was a "big shot" system made by the guys that used to sponsor the KOS races back then but my memory isn't that good. It was easy to fit, operated off a button on the wheel and I would just retard the timing 4 degrees. Ran mostly with the the 150 jets. It never went any quicker with the 200 jets. I also used to have a "It's a dull ride without Oxide" sticker on the back bumper ![grin grin](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/grin.gif) I'm considering a single fogger 500hp kit for the 655, I've still got a couple of NOS bottles and a Holley digital N2O controller with a little screen that can ramp in and or delay the application. However, I'm of the opinion that the 727 and Dana won't hold up to the potential 1500 - 1600hp so we'd have to change to a TH400 derived box and some type of 9" before actually using it, so that's more parts to accumulate and fit ![work work](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/work.gif)
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In my opinion, one of Induction Solutions' kits is worth the money. It's already been flowed and tested. Their support after the sale is awesome too. I'd also recommend a billet plate. I have one of the conventional crossbar plates (NOS Crosshair), but I bought it from Induction Solutions just before they came out w/ their Holey Moley billet plate...wish I'd waited just a little longer. Buy a kit that will flow more than you anticipate spraying. For two reasons...if you decide to sell it later, a small kit can be harder to sell. The other reason is you will probably want to spray more later on if you get addicted to it like most do, lol. Mine is flowed up to 485 hp. I'm only spraying 300 hp, but originally only "planned" to spray 200. Leash electronics products are awesome if you want a controller or wiring board. If you want a progressive controller, a lot of companies will put you on a waiting list. Join one of the nitrous tech groups on facebook...there are always controllers for sale there that are new, but never got used. ![twocents twocents](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/twocents.gif) If I was buying one now, I'd get the Induction Solutions Boogie Box. I currently run a Leash and it's great.
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Wow, lots of good info added since the last time I checked, thanks
FWIW, - the car's only legal to 10.0, and if the new NA combination runs as hoped, wouldn't take a whole lot of spray to get into the 9s - I don't know if Capitol is considered an outlaw track right now, but I've seen some things there that wouldn't be allowed at other sanctioned tracks (guy running low 9s in his Tesla w/o wearing the required safety gear) - engine's not built for spray, e.g, high ring land placement on pistons, so there are some "design limitations" - gearing / converter / etc. probably wouln't run a full 1/4 if it picks up much RPM on the big end, so I figure it would just be for 1/8 stuff
Not the first time this idea has crossed my mind, just the latest
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2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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FWIW...150 hp of nitrous will make anything faster, but won't blow through the torque converter too bad. Just my experience. 20 years ago, my cuda ran 11.40s on motor and a 150 shot got it to 10.60s letting off at 1000 feet b/c it was out of gear. I was all grins after that first 60 feet! It went 7.20s in the 1/8 on motor...pretty sure it went 6.50s on the 150 shot.
You don't have to get crazy w/ ignition systems to pull timing either. I'm not sure what you have, but I just run an old analog MSD 6AL with a little added on MSD 8987 Start/Step box to pull timing out.
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You don't have to get crazy w/ ignition systems to pull timing either. I'm not sure what you have, but I just run an old analog MSD 6AL with a little added on MSD 8987 Start/Step box to pull timing out. Have your same combo, a 6AL and the 8987 box, it works great and have been super happy with it. I was worried I was going to have to upgrade when I build my stroker but if it's good for you on a 575 with 300+ of nitrous I'll definitely be fine!
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Crane HI-6, plus I have a couple of things laying around that could come in handy - Crane TRC --> remote timing dial-back device that Ray Meyers (sixpackgut) gave me years ago - older MSD programmable timing computer that can be hooked to the Crane HI-6 as an add-on
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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FWIW...150 hp of nitrous will make anything faster, but won't blow through the torque converter too bad. Just my experience. 20 years ago, my cuda ran 11.40s on motor and a 150 shot got it to 10.60s letting off at 1000 feet b/c it was out of gear. I was all grins after that first 60 feet! It went 7.20s in the 1/8 on motor...pretty sure it went 6.50s on the 150 shot.
You don't have to get crazy w/ ignition systems to pull timing either. I'm not sure what you have, but I just run an old analog MSD 6AL with a little added on MSD 8987 Start/Step box to pull timing out. Mine was an 11.20-11.30 car n/a The following shots yielded these results: 150 was a 10.69 200 was a 10.33 250 was a 10.01 It currently has the 300 jets in it ready to rock! ![grin grin](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/grin.gif)
'63 Dodge 330 11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs. 10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.
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