Re: NE Electrical Engineers on here? What item is this?
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My guess, its the color changing circuitry/low Dc voltage converter. Ie the string is now junk. I agree
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Re: NE Electrical Engineers on here? What item is this?
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A full wave rectifier converts AC to DC. It will also pass DC voltage, but with a voltage drop going over the diodes. No idea if that's what in the green molded thing Where did you apply the 9v battery?
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Re: NE Electrical Engineers on here? What item is this?
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That cylinder shape around 2 wires covered with plastic looks to me like a “ ferrite core radio interference suppressor” similar to the similar cylinders you see on the cord between a keyboard and computer. It would be good engineering practice to have this ferrite just past the rectifier because the diodes inside the rectifier create little voltage spikes 120 times per second when converting 60 cycle AC to DC. Was there a larger DC rectifier box between the AC plug and the device shown in your picture? Palomar Engineers has long sold ferrite “snap on” retrofit kits https://palomar-engineers.com/ferrite-products/Ferrite-Core-Products-c21312657
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Re: NE Electrical Engineers on here? What item is this?
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Re: NE Electrical Engineers on here? What item is this?
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I went to Wally World to get a few more strands of lights because some of the ones we put away last year dont work now.
New strands of 100 lights were $2.98 !!!
I hate throwing things away and and am a fixer by nature. But dang! Its not even worth it to replace burned out bulbs!
We wonder why 1) Nothing lasts 2) The landfills are filling up
I like a good deal as much as anyone but how can they make them and ship them over the pond for $2.98. Its crazy.
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Re: NE Electrical Engineers on here? What item is this?
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I hate, hate, hate dealing with Christmas lights, but my life would be miserable if I don't. I really thought the switch from incandescent to LED would make them more reliable, but no. Strings that were working when put away are 1/3 dead ten months later. And yeah, for the price they're not worth trying to puzzle out which bulb to replace. I suppose I could get commercial-quality sets at $5-10x, but that's not happening. Bah, humbug.
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Re: NE Electrical Engineers on here? What item is this?
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That cylinder shape around 2 wires covered with plastic looks to me like a “ ferrite core radio interference suppressor” similar to the similar cylinders you see on the cord between a keyboard and computer. It would be good engineering practice to have this ferrite just past the rectifier because the diodes inside the rectifier create little voltage spikes 120 times per second when converting 60 cycle AC to DC. Was there a larger DC rectifier box between the AC plug and the device shown in your picture? Palomar Engineers has long sold ferrite “snap on” retrofit kits https://palomar-engineers.com/ferrite-products/Ferrite-Core-Products-c21312657 For an LED light string? No. Irrelevant and unneeded.
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Re: NE Electrical Engineers on here? What item is this?
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Thanks for all the responses, let me see if I can respond to all:
JCC - The lights still work when using a 9 volt battery to test them, even still change color, so I don't think it is a gonner.
Hoozie.. I put the 9v power to the wires past cylinder, it is one of those led christmas light repair tools, yellow handle device to help find burned out bulbs.
A12 - I have one of those cheap mutli functional tester... can I use that? I am thinking it is DC because the lights works with a 9 v battery in my light fixer tool.
360 - The cylinder is after the typical christmas light plug, which has 2 of the 3v silver fuses housed in it. These kept popping after the water damage, even after weeks of drying out.
Bsharp - yes, that is what it looks like! A rectifier and it says that on the tag on the box. I guess I have to figure what size rectifier I need. I will look at that website!
Wingan - This set goes for about $100, so you can see why I don't want to give up on them yet. They are a really cool light set.
Thanks again all for the input.. I am going to try the noveltylights.com site Bsharp mentioned. Will report back if I get to work again.
The noveltylights site doesn't sell parts or have a technical department, so I am trying some other repair people I saw on youtube...
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Re: NE Electrical Engineers on here? What item is this?
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A full wave rectifier converts AC to DC. It will also pass DC voltage, but with a voltage drop going over the diodes. No idea if that's what in the green molded thing Where did you apply the 9v battery? Just cut it open and find out what's inside.
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Re: NE Electrical Engineers on here? What item is this?
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Yep, makes sense that it would be completely potted to keep moisture out (you had one job... ) All that should be in it is 4 diodes. Doesn't look big enough to have a voltage regulator. There's no voltage output from the rectifier when you plug it in, right? Typically, the LEDs will be in series, or two parallel lines of leds that are in series. Rectified 110vAC will be around 150vDC. Each led drops a couple volts, and somewhere there's a current limiting resistor. 50 leds x 3v each is around the 150vDC they would see. Giving it 9v shouldn't be enough to get them to turn on at all. But, if they're color changing there has to be something special somewhere? Although that can be built in to each individual LED too. Looks like this set? https://www.amazon.com/Lawn-Lights-Illuminated-Decoration-Multicolor/dp/B07VMKPN8Y/ref=sr_1_2I would be tempted to get a full bridge rectifier, and wire it in place...
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Re: NE Electrical Engineers on here? What item is this?
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oops! I read the ad as static but it says on down that the 36 series changes.
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Re: NE Electrical Engineers on here? What item is this?
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Well, this link refers to that inline component as a rectifier. So I am guessing that is what it is. Rectifier?If the string runs acceptably well with a 9 volt battery, then I'd get a nine volt power supply, splice it into the light string and ride off into the sunset. Power supply
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Re: NE Electrical Engineers on here? What item is this?
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Is there a cheap set of lights you can steal the rectifier from? It would be ugly, but something like this would duplicate it. https://www.amazon.com/NTE-Electronics-NTE5311-Rectifier-Repetitive/dp/B008UTVH5A/ref=sr_1_2AC goes on the inner pins, and then it has DC out on the +/- pins. (Remember the DC will be around 150v!) Or, hook it up to a 12v car battery and see what happens. If that works, a 110v to 12vDC power supply would work, and be a lot safer.
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