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Re: Hemi [Re: Mike P] #3189607
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Thanks guys, I think the red is the winner. Now I’m gathering the nit noy parts. I have the engine, fresh trans and a rear end. Now I need a car. I’m kinda doing this basackwards.


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So, do you have any specific era of car are you looking for?

Lots of pretty good deals are starting to show up on those older Mopar (and other brand) bodies & projects.

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“……..I have the engine, fresh trans and a rear end. Now I need a car. I’m kinda doing this basackwards…..”

Yeah, kind of the boat I put myself in. I rebuilt the 354 that’s on the stand and went thru a 46RH and had started looking for a body (was kind of looking at 55-56 Dodges or Plymouths) but had held up on the rear end till I picked up a body. Probably a good thing I didn’t find one as the direction for the project kind of changed and I decided I wanted something a little less conspicuous to serve daily driver duties. I ended up with 68 Valiant 2dr Sedan (X big block drag car) that should do nicely.


“……Lots of pretty good deals are starting to show up on those older Mopar (and other brand) bodies & projects…….”

I agree with poorboy, the bottom seems to be starting to drop out on older cars again. It actually kind of surprised me the prices stayed as high as they did for as long as they did.


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Re: Hemi [Re: Mike P] #3191964
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Originally Posted by Mike P
“……..I have the engine, fresh trans and a rear end. Now I need a car. I’m kinda doing this basackwards…..”

Yeah, kind of the boat I put myself in. I rebuilt the 354 that’s on the stand and went thru a 46RH and had started looking for a body (was kind of looking at 55-56 Dodges or Plymouths) but had held up on the rear end till I picked up a body. Probably a good thing I didn’t find one as the direction for the project kind of changed and I decided I wanted something a little less conspicuous to serve daily driver duties. I ended up with 68 Valiant 2dr Sedan (X big block drag car) that should do nicely.


“……Lots of pretty good deals are starting to show up on those older Mopar (and other brand) bodies & projects…….”

I agree with poorboy, the bottom seems to be starting to drop out on older cars again. It actually kind of surprised me the prices stayed as high as they did for as long as they did.



Yeah, I was at Goodguys yesterday. There were a couple of car for sale but as usual high priced. My twisted mind started to get the best of me when I was looking at a 57 Chevy roller.

This Stude struck my fancy, kinda like the Bobber type pickups and being an orphan would make a good candidate.

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that IS a neat truck !
thanks for posting those pictures !
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Re: Hemi [Re: dart4forte] #3192136
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Looks like an International...


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Originally Posted by earlymopar
Looks like an International...



Yep, International a bit stretched. It’s a little bit of this and a little bit of that. Never could pin down the owner.


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Excellent!! Another 241 in our midst. A couple of things i've used on my 241 that you might consider, if you haven't already done so; Sanderson block-hugger headers and Mallory ignition. The stock exhaust manifolds are the most hideous, god-awful creations on the planet. There were no clearance problems with the headers going into my '36 Plymouth.

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by Ply36
Excellent!! Another 241 in our midst. A couple of things i've used on my 241 that you might consider, if you haven't already done so; Sanderson block-hugger headers and Mallory ignition. The stock exhaust manifolds are the most hideous, god-awful creations on the planet. There were no clearance problems with the headers going into my '36 Plymouth.

Good luck!


Already on it. Picked up a set of Sanderson headers at Good Guys swapmeet several years ago. Never used. I have several distributors but not a Mallory. The guy who sets my distributors up also does carbs. He’s doing a WCFB to bolt on that early Offy manifold.


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Originally Posted by dart4forte
I’m looking for something. Needs to be a project that someone started but didn’t finish. I’d like to do a Bobber.



Found a guy today that has a 51 Ford sedan. It’s a running car. Currently has a 351 Windsor. Never seen an early Hemi in one of those.


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I think that would be an interesting build. The physically smaller Dodge Hemi (compared to Chrysler) might be a good fit for it. Not sure what style pan would be needed to clear the suspension but as I recall there were some different options that would fit the 241.


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Theresa front sump on the motor right now. We had to modify the pan for the 340 oil pump will fit. I’ll start looking for another pan soon. I have a modified pickup that will work with the rear sump as well as a Dodge truck pan to act as a doner.


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Finally got the water crossover sorted out. Took a stock water pump and wacked off the crossover. Ended up with a small “D” shaped hole where the pump mated to the crossover. Finally found a shop that woul work with cast iron. Ended up brazing a plate over the hole. I figure the crossover is not under pressure should be fine. Put some water in to see if I have any leaks.

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Re: Hemi [Re: dart4forte] #3199171
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the crossover should have the same pressure as the rest of the cooling system, 12-18lbs.
you could test the crossover by bolting plates to the ends, then using a chunk of bicycle tube with the valve stem, clamp one end to the inlet of the crossover, with the other end of the tube chunk clamped to a solid piece of plastic, metal, wood, whatever.
use lots of clamps on the tube chunk so that the tube doesn't just blow up because it isn't contained. [that sounds way more complicated than i described]
then fill the tube with 20-25lbs of air and check for leaks.
i have used this method for over 40 years, and it works great !
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Originally Posted by moparx
the crossover should have the same pressure as the rest of the cooling system, 12-18lbs.
you could test the crossover by bolting plates to the ends, then using a chunk of bicycle tube with the valve stem, clamp one end to the inlet of the crossover, with the other end of the tube chunk clamped to a solid piece of plastic, metal, wood, whatever.
use lots of clamps on the tube chunk so that the tube doesn't just blow up because it isn't contained. [that sounds way more complicated than i described]
then fill the tube with 20-25lbs of air and check for leaks.
i have used this method for over 40 years, and it works great !
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I should be good to go.Didn’t gat and drips so looks like it’s fine. Need to get a water pimp on order. I decided to run a more modern carb so I got an Offy adapter to run an AFB. When I get it all sorted out and running I may run a WCFB but for now bigger fish to fry. I need to buy the adapter for the fresh 46RE I’m going to run.


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what adapter are you looking for to use the 46RE ?
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The 46 RE should have the small block Mopar bell housing pattern. You would probably still need the spacer between the 46 RE and the Hemi block if your Hemi has the extended crankshaft.you will probably still need to adapt to the 46RE flex plate and converter as well (also sb Mopar pattern).

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Nice work on the water crossover. I did the same thing on a 331 Hemi water pump years ago. The hole in the bottom of the crossover wasn't too big so I just brazed it closed. Worked out great until I converted to a thin timing cover and short water pump, The 331 water pump came to a point in the center of the crossover and it interfered with the WP pulley.

FWIW I used a Hot Heads for the 331/46RH combination on my 37, and have bought another one for the 354/46RH I'm trying to stuff in a 68 Valiant. It's the same one that will work on your Dodge. Not cheap but it's a good unit.

I think you'll like the 46RH. The .69 OD ratio lets you run a lot deeper gear than you would suspect. I was running 4.56s in the 37 Dodge pickup. In OD the effective ratio was 3.15 which allowed it to comfortably cruise at 75-80 MPH. For the 354/46RH going into the Valiant I'm looking at a 4.30 gear which will put put the final ratio in OD at 2.96. Deep gears make small engines a LOT of fun up


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Pretty happy so far. Going to modify front timing cover bolts to 3/8” next week. This should give we plenty of strength for that front cradle mount. Not sure on the final gear ratio as of yet. I’m pretty much ass backwards on this project. Assembled the drivetrain before settling on the car. Looked at couple of potential cars yesterday. One was a 1929 Stude PU. Pretty cool but it was all original right down to the wire wheels. Way too much fabbing for me. I’m looking for more of a stab and go setup.

On the 46RE I haven’t settled on the adapter but it will most likely be the HH setup. Yes, they are real proud of their stuff but I know it works.

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