I just thought he had some interesting food for thought. And I wouldn't put it past Stellantis to say one thing that could enhance today's sales and then turn around and do something else.
Master, again and still
Re: This guy is sure that there is another Hemi V-8 coming
[Re: DaveRS23]
#3188306 11/02/2304:15 PM11/02/2304:15 PM
I just thought he had some interesting food for thought. And I wouldn't put it past Stellantis to say one thing that could enhance today's sales and then turn around and do something else.
The true inside info was that the 392 was going to get bumped to 426 inches (just by using a 4" crank) and that was going to be the new 510hp engine but the Hurricane H.O made that and more, so they went with it. That same dreamer was saying a new hellcat was coming out in 2030. I guess just in time to compete against 3000hp EV's and stuff
Re: This guy is sure that there is another Hemi V-8 coming
[Re: Dart 500]
#3188368 11/02/2309:46 PM11/02/2309:46 PM
At the current rate that the other car companies are reducing or stopping production of the EVs, The current build up of unsold stock, and the distain for the current governmental leadership, maybe some one at the head office is in charge of coming up with an alternative performance car to replace the HP EV car in order to " save" the company. It would be something the company would want to keep under wraps until they needed it to show up.
Re: This guy is sure that there is another Hemi V-8 coming
[Re: poorboy]
#3188370 11/02/2309:59 PM11/02/2309:59 PM
Micky Bly, senior vice president and head of global propulsion systems at Stellantis, told a crowd at an electrification conference here Wednesday that the company was continuing to invest in — and clean up — the internal combustion engine as it rolls out electric vehicles."When we came together as two families, PSA and FCA, we had a lot of engines. We are rapidly streamlining our three-cylinder, four-cylinder and six-cylinder and even our eight-cylinder engines. We are aggressively streamlining our diesel portfolio. We already exited the 3.0-liter diesel. We will have a low-displacement diesel and a big diesel that's coming in the future."
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Stellantis, Bly said, is also on track to launch 75 EVs globally by the end of the decade. "We have to balance this approach. ICE is here to stay for a period of time. We are growing capacity, adding capacity, for South America, the Middle East and Europe and Asia Pacific." As for the U.S., Bly said Stellantis' strategy will see new engines and improved versions of current gasoline powertrains. "One of the things that was very clear [in the merger of PSA Group and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles] was that we had some engines that were not performing well on our C02 road map," he said. "We could fix some of those things with [mild and plug-in hybrids]. The Hemi doesn't have all the attributes we needed. We could go and redo the Hemi, but we realized we needed to downsize the engine and bring up the power." That happened late last year with the introduction of the 3.0-liter Hurricane twin-turbo inline six-cylinder, which makes more power than the bigger, heavier 6.4-liter Hemi V-8. A high-output version of the Hurricane makes 520 hp, 35 hp more than the Hemi V-8. "We have more power. We just haven't released it yet," said Bly. The Hurricane will spawn one new engine, a 2.0-liter four-cylinder. Bly said there is also a three-cylinder on the way. It will be based on an existing European engine.
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Bly said that Stellantis plans to keep and improve the Pentastar V-6, even though the Hurricane engine is small enough to replace it.
"The Pentastar is a very good, lower-cost, rock-solid, high-quality stalwart of our collection, and we have no plans to replace it. In fact, shortly, you will hear of an improvement coming, and it will be a bit of an electrification story."
While other automakers have announced plans to go all EV, Stellantis, with 14 brands globally, is not planning to quit gasoline or diesel.
Head of powertrain came from American Axle but was wit GM for 23 yrs before that
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Re: This guy is sure that there is another Hemi V-8 coming
[Re: Dart 500]
#3188371 11/02/2310:03 PM11/02/2310:03 PM
To throw away six decades of HEMI V8 as a sales attraction and bragging rights at this point would be downright stupid. Only a foreign car company would do that. Foreign car companies stupidly put smaller, more efficient engines into a car and get away with it and then tried to sell them in the USA. In America we put BIGGER engines into a smaller car and kick the cr@p out of those little engine foreign cr@p cars. No replacement for displacement and a 4cyl or 6cyl turbo is just un-American. A HEMI-V8 with a supercharger now that's AMERICAN and not just my opinion.
Re: This guy is sure that there is another Hemi V-8 coming
[Re: A12]
#3188381 11/02/2310:42 PM11/02/2310:42 PM
I can see another 8 coming. This whole EV thing will last, but will take years and the "Mania" stage is now ending for it. Reality is setting in. SCOTUS may well end up hearing the "Mandates" and into the junkpile those will go. Would it be a hemi? I have heard doubtful due to combustion chamber design but others are much smarter. That and Dodge would probably be forced to take some sort of Euro design input just like they are for the platforms. Remember, this isn't the old Dodge.
67 Barracuda FB
69 Superbee
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Re: This guy is sure that there is another Hemi V-8 coming
[Re: A12]
#3188383 11/02/2311:03 PM11/02/2311:03 PM
I6. (Walter Chrysler loved the I6) I4 Hybrid, Balance shaft I3
We’re all really Peugeot now - so why not an opposed Twin?
If Ferdinand Porsche sitting in a French prison cell with plenty of time to think decided that opposed twin was the ideal engine for the masses, who are we to argue?
Sadly, the two valve, two spark plug, cross flow cylinder head engine that was cheap to mass produce in Mexico (Chrysler Hemi as modified by Nissan NAPS-Z and then Maximum Bob Lutz and those two engineer brothers who quit GM due to a Lutz promise to let them design a 347 ci cylinder head that would outflow any 350 GM) ....has been murdered by liberal arts degree staffers in DC.
I hope a Moparts member buys the last new vehicle with a Chrysler Hemi V8 under the hood.
You cannot step in the same river twice as the water constantly changes.
Re: This guy is sure that there is another Hemi V-8 coming
[Re: 360view]
#3188426 11/03/2308:57 AM11/03/2308:57 AM
'The EPA says the added fuel economy will save the typical Hurricane Twin-Turbo 510 owner about $600 per year, over the HEMI, based on a 15,000-mile yearly average. Now, keep in mind, that checking the option box for the Hurricane Twin-Turbo 510 will set you back an additional $2,000. Both engines require Premium 91 octane fuel, so using today’s numbers the EPA says you will spend $4,350 annually on fuel for the Hurricane. The Hurricane Twin-Turbo 510 delivers 510 horsepower (thus explains the name) and 500 lb.-ft. of torque, a significant upgrade over the 471 horsepower and 455 lb.-ft. of torque rating of the standard 6.4-liter HEMI V8. Despite the added power, the Hurricane’s additional fuel economy won’t really impress the masses .'
EPA rates these engines at 17 combined mileage on 91 octane in the Grand Wagoneer.
15,000 miles @ 17 MPG takes just over 882 gallons of gas. 87 octane gas here is $3.29, so 882 gallons would cost $2,901.78. 91 octane gas here is $3.79, so 882 gallons would cost $3,342.78. The EPA says that the better economy will save driver's $600 a year, but don't mention that the 91 octane requirement will cost an additional $441 year.
So, these engines make a little better power than the V-8s that they replace, are rated to get a couple of MPG better (although typical end user reports don't often reflect that), require 91 octane, cost $2,000 more, and (particularly the HO) are much more complicated and expensive to work on.
Someone tell me what I am missing here. Where is the benefit to the buyer?
Master, again and still
Re: This guy is sure that there is another Hemi V-8 coming
[Re: DaveRS23]
#3188443 11/03/2310:29 AM11/03/2310:29 AM
All of this EPA and emissions and fuel economy is all BS in that the manufactures know how the game is played. Manufactures do their reporting by Corporate Averaging and engine families and they can have a gas guzzler and high emissions (to a limit) beyond the regulations by off setting test results with very overly compliant models in the fleet. The whole reason for the hybrids and EV's etc., in the fleet. EPA and the Feds don't mind collecting the "Gas Guzzler Tax" that you see right there on the Monroney label/window sticker. It's not like all of those EPA emissions and fuel economy regulations just came about they have been here for decades and the manufacturers know how to play the game or delete or modify models. IMO there will be another HEMI V8 especially if Ford and GM don't drop their V8 engines. Do you really think an inline 6 or a turbo 4 or anything other than a V8 will be a good option in a RAM or any other towing capable or workhorse pickup truck??
Re: This guy is sure that there is another Hemi V-8 coming
[Re: A12]
#3189015 11/05/2309:38 PM11/05/2309:38 PM
To throw away six decades of HEMI V8 as a sales attraction and bragging rights at this point would be downright stupid. Only a foreign car company would do that. Foreign car companies stupidly put smaller, more efficient engines into a car and get away with it and then tried to sell them in the USA. In America we put BIGGER engines into a smaller car and kick the cr@p out of those little engine foreign cr@p cars. No replacement for displacement and a 4cyl or 6cyl turbo is just un-American. A HEMI-V8 with a supercharger now that's AMERICAN and not just my opinion.
Stellantis would love to keep selling the Hemi V8 whether the current version or a new one BUT BUT BUT as I've written before, automakers are squeezed by the CAFE Standards and are left with no choice. 2025 CAFE is 54.5 mpg! Don't blame the automaker/automakers. I have to leave it at that because this is general forum.
Facts are stubborn things.
Re: This guy is sure that there is another Hemi V-8 coming
[Re: DaveRS23]
#3189025 11/05/2310:06 PM11/05/2310:06 PM
'The EPA says the added fuel economy will save the typical Hurricane Twin-Turbo 510 owner about $600 per year, over the HEMI, based on a 15,000-mile yearly average. Now, keep in mind, that checking the option box for the Hurricane Twin-Turbo 510 will set you back an additional $2,000. Both engines require Premium 91 octane fuel, so using today’s numbers the EPA says you will spend $4,350 annually on fuel for the Hurricane. The Hurricane Twin-Turbo 510 delivers 510 horsepower (thus explains the name) and 500 lb.-ft. of torque, a significant upgrade over the 471 horsepower and 455 lb.-ft. of torque rating of the standard 6.4-liter HEMI V8. Despite the added power, the Hurricane’s additional fuel economy won’t really impress the masses .'
EPA rates these engines at 17 combined mileage on 91 octane in the Grand Wagoneer.
15,000 miles @ 17 MPG takes just over 882 gallons of gas. 87 octane gas here is $3.29, so 882 gallons would cost $2,901.78. 91 octane gas here is $3.79, so 882 gallons would cost $3,342.78. The EPA says that the better economy will save driver's $600 a year, but don't mention that the 91 octane requirement will cost an additional $441 year.
So, these engines make a little better power than the V-8s that they replace, are rated to get a couple of MPG better (although typical end user reports don't often reflect that), require 91 octane, cost $2,000 more, and (particularly the HO) are much more complicated and expensive to work on.
Someone tell me what I am missing here. Where is the benefit to the buyer?
Both engines require Premium 91 octane fuel
Re: This guy is sure that there is another Hemi V-8 coming
[Re: larrymopar360]
#3189044 11/05/2311:47 PM11/05/2311:47 PM
To throw away six decades of HEMI V8 as a sales attraction and bragging rights at this point would be downright stupid. Only a foreign car company would do that. Foreign car companies stupidly put smaller, more efficient engines into a car and get away with it and then tried to sell them in the USA. In America we put BIGGER engines into a smaller car and kick the cr@p out of those little engine foreign cr@p cars. No replacement for displacement and a 4cyl or 6cyl turbo is just un-American. A HEMI-V8 with a supercharger now that's AMERICAN and not just my opinion.
Stellantis would love to keep selling the Hemi V8 whether the current version or a new one BUT BUT BUT as I've written before, automakers are squeezed by the CAFE Standards and are left with no choice. 2025 CAFE is 54.5 mpg! Don't blame the automaker/automakers. I have to leave it at that because this is general forum.
What does CAFE stand for?
Re: This guy is sure that there is another Hemi V-8 coming
[Re: A12]
#3189045 11/05/2311:51 PM11/05/2311:51 PM
Corporate Average Fuel Economy. Their fleet has to average 54.5 or whatever and they get fines if not met, they're getting eaten alive by the fines at the moment. Their head of powertrain said it best, they had to decrease the engine size and increase the power, the TT I6 accomplished that. They dont sell any small cars to make up the difference, all they sell is Jeeps, Rams and muscle
Last edited by Dart 500; 11/05/2311:52 PM.
Re: This guy is sure that there is another Hemi V-8 coming
[Re: Sniper]
#3189071 11/06/2310:29 AM11/06/2310:29 AM
'The EPA says the added fuel economy will save the typical Hurricane Twin-Turbo 510 owner about $600 per year, over the HEMI, based on a 15,000-mile yearly average. Now, keep in mind, that checking the option box for the Hurricane Twin-Turbo 510 will set you back an additional $2,000. Both engines require Premium 91 octane fuel, so using today’s numbers the EPA says you will spend $4,350 annually on fuel for the Hurricane. The Hurricane Twin-Turbo 510 delivers 510 horsepower (thus explains the name) and 500 lb.-ft. of torque, a significant upgrade over the 471 horsepower and 455 lb.-ft. of torque rating of the standard 6.4-liter HEMI V8. Despite the added power, the Hurricane’s additional fuel economy won’t really impress the masses .'
EPA rates these engines at 17 combined mileage on 91 octane in the Grand Wagoneer.
15,000 miles @ 17 MPG takes just over 882 gallons of gas. 87 octane gas here is $3.29, so 882 gallons would cost $2,901.78. 91 octane gas here is $3.79, so 882 gallons would cost $3,342.78. The EPA says that the better economy will save driver's $600 a year, but don't mention that the 91 octane requirement will cost an additional $441 year.
So, these engines make a little better power than the V-8s that they replace, are rated to get a couple of MPG better (although typical end user reports don't often reflect that), require 91 octane, cost $2,000 more, and (particularly the HO) are much more complicated and expensive to work on.
Someone tell me what I am missing here. Where is the benefit to the buyer?
Both engines require Premium 91 octane fuel
Still having troll related comprehension issues, I see.