Re: color temperature / garage lighting
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I did a lot of research and had a lighting expert design my layout to hit my lumens targets (he did quite well with hitting the targets). I have over $10K in my lights. They RAB commercial lights and are true 4' led lights (not tubes) and are 5000 degree. I am quite happy with them.
I used to go with lower temperatures in the old shop with fluorescent tubes, but have migrated to the 5000 degree with LED and I do like it.
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Re: color temperature / garage lighting
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I've never seen a segmented garage roll up door store/rest on an incline.
But don't overlook the one important comment made so far here that effects the ambient lighting more than almost anything else, the brightness of the interior, floor, walls, and ceiling, It also helps kill shadows.
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Re: color temperature / garage lighting
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Using LED bulbs in typical T8 fixtures means(?) the transformers are still in the circuit, and if so, seems to me that negates some of the power/heat/reliability savings LED's are intended to provide. Not necessarily. These are the LED's I used and the installation removes the ballasts.
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Re: color temperature / garage lighting
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That seems almost pointless today, kind of like converting a 57 chevy to EV power. I fail to see how. The new LED fixtures I've seen have integral LED's. When they fail you replace the entire fixture. By modifying a fluorescent fixture for LED's, you just replace the bulb when it fails. If someone has a burning desire to retain the ballasts with an LED, those versions are available....but why?
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Re: color temperature / garage lighting
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Because quality LED fixtures are designed for 50,000+ hrs in most cases (5.7yrs continuous), I expect they have a better warranty then a bulb alone, and they are optimized optically, electrically and physically for an LED application, would be my viewpoint. Both versions still have the same components cost wise for LED applications, the only difference is the housing/packaging, mounting.
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Re: color temperature / garage lighting
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Using LED bulbs in typical T8 fixtures means(?) the transformers are still in the circuit, and if so, seems to me that negates some of the power/heat/reliability savings LED's are intended to provide. Most of the time when you retrofit LED tubes into an existing T8/T12 fixture the instructions direct you to re-wire the hot feed it directly to the lamp holders (tombstones). Cutting the old flourescent ballast out of the circuit.
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Re: color temperature / garage lighting
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I've never seen a segmented garage roll up door store/rest on an incline. This is how mine is done. Liftmaster 3800 on the wall. Very beneficial to avoid interference with a car on the hoist. Interference to the door, the door track, and the standard opener that normally hangs down in the middle of the tracks is eliminated. People are usually shocked I can have an 8' bed crew cab truck all the way up in the air, can open and close the door if I want, and have a pretty modestly sized shop. The celling and high lift door were pretty important to reaching that goal. On topic-That's just a couple weak temporary lights in the picture, not what is used to work.
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Re: color temperature / garage lighting
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Because quality LED fixtures are designed for 50,000+ hrs in most cases (5.7yrs continuous), I expect they have a better warranty then a bulb alone, and they are optimized optically, electrically and physically for an LED application, would be my viewpoint. Both versions still have the same components cost wise for LED applications, the only difference is the housing/packaging, mounting. And when and LED fixture fails, which they will, you will be replacing the entire fixture rather than just a bulb.
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Re: color temperature / garage lighting
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Because quality LED fixtures are designed for 50,000+ hrs in most cases (5.7yrs continuous), I expect they have a better warranty then a bulb alone, and they are optimized optically, electrically and physically for an LED application, would be my viewpoint. Both versions still have the same components cost wise for LED applications, the only difference is the housing/packaging, mounting. And when and LED fixture fails, which they will, you will be replacing the entire fixture rather than just a bulb. No need to state the obvious, in 20 years, it will be outdated and old tech anyway most likely, you read the 5.7 years continuous right?
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Re: color temperature / garage lighting
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Because quality LED fixtures are designed for 50,000+ hrs in most cases (5.7yrs continuous), I expect they have a better warranty then a bulb alone, and they are optimized optically, electrically and physically for an LED application, would be my viewpoint. Both versions still have the same components cost wise for LED applications, the only difference is the housing/packaging, mounting. And when and LED fixture fails, which they will, you will be replacing the entire fixture rather than just a bulb. No need to state the obvious, in 20 years, it will be outdated and old tech anyway most likely, you read the 5.7 years continuous right? If you believe that lifespan claim, well you'd be disappointed. I doubt it'd last 5.7 years intermittent. None of mine have.
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Re: color temperature / garage lighting
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Tends to make one wonder if maybe replacement bulbs for anything may be a thing of the past. It may also indicate that maybe if your thinking that you want to have replacement bulbs available when what ever you now have, you better plan one storing them for yourself. Government is and has been pushing LED's for quite some time. Most incandescents are being banned and fluorescents are already being targeted Hopefully the price will come down as they become more commonplace. LINKY
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Re: color temperature / garage lighting
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Because quality LED fixtures are designed for 50,000+ hrs in most cases (5.7yrs continuous), I expect they have a better warranty then a bulb alone, and they are optimized optically, electrically and physically for an LED application, would be my viewpoint. Both versions still have the same components cost wise for LED applications, the only difference is the housing/packaging, mounting. And when and LED fixture fails, which they will, you will be replacing the entire fixture rather than just a bulb. No need to state the obvious, in 20 years, it will be outdated and old tech anyway most likely, you read the 5.7 years continuous right? 20 years ... in your dreams maybe. My company has changed over to the new fixtures ... were told they would last 15,000 hrs .... in mulitple buildings and are replacing entire fixtures here and there yearly. In the building where my office is they converted to direct wire 4ft replacement bulbs, because it was easier due to the building design/layout, over 5 years ago and haven't changed a single bulb as of yet, at the same time one hallway got replacement fixtures and 2 of the 4 have already been replaced ...
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Re: color temperature / garage lighting
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10/16/23 06:50 AM
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This is what I use, they light up the room well, they are from a brand of replacement bulb I liked before. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07L44JCZ7/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1Out of about 15 I put up, one failed first year, it flashes. They sent a replacement when I called and I haven’t bothered putting it up. Room is so bright I don’t notice it. Says 50,000 hours. I dunno. They work though so far after two years. They don’t seem to mind that I plugged in more than 8. The one that flashes is in the middle of the string. I decided to unplug the ones by the garage door unless I’m working under there just in case that caused it. I seldom plug those in because things are bright enough. I think I have 10-12 in the main room and 4-6 in the other. Been very happy with this setup. 5000k is great to work with. I like 4000k in the house where I can get by with it in my areas. Wife likes the yellows in 2700-3000k. A counter guy told me the only complaints he’s had after an install were fixed by switching the people’s kitchen bulbs to 4000k. Said a handful of people picked stuff out and their yellow light made their counter look funny. Definitely watch the lumens level. IMO, the claimed energy savings manufacturers tout are actually just selling you a low lumen bulb. I’m pretty annoyed by anything under about 750 lumens. Lots of bulbs are like 500- or less. I went to a fan company hq to compare models with a couple already in mind to buy that day. I decided not to after seeing how paltry the light was. I was told by the design team that they wanted some energy rating for the line and that was why. So bad I left without a fan that day.
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