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Re: Marines lose F-35 figher [Re: 360view] #3177311
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That 911 operator will likely be in a skit in the next live SNL methinks,
It's a must listen to.


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: Marines lose F-35 figher [Re: jcc] #3177364
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Supposedly there is a shortage of 911 operators.

If they would let you do a 4 hour shift working from home
it would seem to be a good job for retired people
with degrees from the famous “School of Hard Knocks.”

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Maybe, but the skill of "listening" is first taught for most by one's parents around the age of six?
If it is delayed until graduating from school of "hard knocks", one might be a felon.


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: Marines lose F-35 figher [Re: 360view] #3177522
09/23/23 04:39 PM
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I imagine the pilot is about to be assigned to flying a desk in a basement somewhere.


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My life is none of your business.

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Re: Marines lose F-35 figher [Re: 340727dart] #3177667
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Originally Posted by 340727dart
I imagine the pilot is about to be assigned to flying a desk in a basement somewhere.


What struck me was he said he was 47 years old.

Seems like that may mean he previously flew Harrier Jump Jets?

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sample quote

the helmet alone for an F-35 cost $400,000 in 2015, more than four times the amount the Air Force paid for the previous F-16 helmet.

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from

https://www.aol.com/news/costs-100m-works-half-time-202315824.html

Re: Marines lose F-35 figher [Re: 360view] #3177751
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Yep

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“So if it’s on the internet it must be true”

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Re: Marines lose F-35 figher [Re: 360view] #3177841
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F-35B model is special in that its computer software can automatically trigger the ejection seat without pilot input.

This is because when it is near the ground vertically rising or descending it could crash faster than a pilot could do a manual eject.

A and C model F-35 computer software is not allowed to do this.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/the-f-35b-can-eject-its-pilot-automatically

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https://www.airforcetimes.com/air/2...tor-led-f-35-maintenance-as-costly-slow/

Military members severely lack detailed manuals for F-35s.

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Without necessary and complete technical data from Lockheed Martin and its subcontractors, repair times have lagged. When the F-35 program began, GAO said, the Pentagon thought it would be more cost-effective to have contractors handle the bulk of the jet’s sustainment. As a result, the Pentagon didn’t require Lockheed to hand over the technical data that would allow the military to “organically” handle maintenance itself.

Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall has repeatedly criticized that decision, earlier this year calling it “a serious mistake” the service won’t repeat on its sixth-generation Next Generation Air Dominance fighter.

The acquisition philosophy in vogue at the time of the F-35 program’s launch two decades ago, dubbed Total System Performance, meant the contractor on the program would own it for the system’s entire life cycle, Kendall said during a May breakfast with reporters.
This creates “a perpetual monopoly,” Kendall explained, and amounts to “acquisition malpractice” on the F-35.
Officials at an unidentified depot told GAO that maintenance manuals for some key parts are “ambiguous and rarely are detailed enough for depot personnel to make the repair.”

“As a result, depot personnel not only cannot fix the part, but they cannot learn and understand how to fix the part,” the watchdog wrote.
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The training process for service members to maintain the F-35 is also lacking, GAO said. Maintainers told GAO they mainly learned how to fix the jet while on the job. Initial Lockheed Martin-led training mainly relied on PowerPoint slides in a classroom, with limited hands-on lessons, GAO said.
Training personnel acknowledged to GAO the maintenance training is “poor and inadequate,” adding that because Lockheed Martin runs the training, the firm controls what information is presented to maintainers.

“Since so much of the technical data used to maintain the aircraft is proprietary and unavailable to the military services, trainers in the military services cannot develop effective training programs for maintainers,” GAO wrote.

The situation differs considerably from F-15 and F-16 maintenance, which includes detailed manuals spelling out how the systems operate that allow maintainers to troubleshoot nagging problems.

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Re: Marines lose F-35 figher [Re: 360view] #3186783
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USA still sticking to the idea that only private company employees will have access, manuals, skills, and tools to do the most complicated MRO (maintenance, repair and overhaul) F-35 work:

https://aviationweek.com/defense-sp...rnational-f-35-mro-model-future-programs

What could possibly go wrong
with not fully training local enlisted Air Force, Navy and Marines
and having to ship non-flyable planes to MRO facilities several countries away?

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The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program has stood up two MRO facilities for the jet, one in Japan and one in Italy, so international operators do not all need to come back to the U.S. for the work. Bill LaPlante, the under secretary of defense for acquisition and sustainment, says this setup needs to become the norm as key weapons take on more international production and sustainment.
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