Electronic igniton conversion questions
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I know this has been beat to death I find myself questioning which way to go. Dealing with a single point 383 distributor. The Mopar conversion kits seemed to have been taken over by Proform. my experience with them has not been good on electrical components. I have also read the current ECU's fail about as fast as you can install them. I bought a Mallory optical kit and it won't clear the lobes on the distributor cam. Looked at moving the module towards the outside of the dist. but the supplied trigger wheel is already BARELY clearing the module. So doing so would fix one issue but create another. So I went looking and see that Petronix now requires their own rotor which I'm not overly fond of. Accel is the same as Mallory just a different color I swear I saw a kit that used a hall effect sensor off the existing point lobes but can't find one for a single point mopar distributor ? Also trying to maintain as close to factory appearing as possible. so what say the "BORED"? TIA
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Re: Electronic igniton conversion questions
[Re: calrobb2000]
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09/10/23 07:38 AM
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hi
why does everyone think they have to have electronic ignition ?
i do a fair amount of dist rebuilds , and recurves for performance / race engines . < have sun and allen dist tester>
i have some points dist that have been in use for 10 years , driven on weekends regulary and never been back for readjustment .
points are reliable ! must be properly installed !
single points easly run 6000 rpm plus , doul points 7000 .
chrysler and others accel / Mallory ect offered points for higher rpm 8500
just sayen !
New points and condensers have the same issues as an other new part these days, poor quality. Put new points in my 51 2 years ago, I have maybe 1000 miles on it and the rubbing block is worn out already. NOS is where it's at because it isn't going to get better and since no new car has come with points in a long time no one is going to step up to build quality stuff.
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Re: Electronic igniton conversion questions
[Re: Sniper]
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09/10/23 08:21 AM
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I was at a pick -a-part yesterday with a friend, just tagging along. I left with a small block electronic dist. for these reasons alone, to throw on the shelf.
I do have a pertronix lit in one of my cars since the late 90's... special rotor and all.
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Re: Electronic igniton conversion questions
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09/10/23 09:34 AM
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You know, Pertronix is not the only game in town
Both Standard and Wells have similar conversions. Look up a 70 Charger with a 383 at Rockauto
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/dodge,1970,charger,6.3l+383cid+v8,1496003,ignition,ignition+conversion+kit,11340
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Re: Electronic igniton conversion questions
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09/10/23 01:16 PM
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hi
why does everyone think they have to have electronic ignition ?
i do a fair amount of dist rebuilds , and recurves for performance / race engines . < have sun and allen dist tester>
i have some points dist that have been in use for 10 years , driven on weekends regulary and never been back for readjustment .
points are reliable ! must be properly installed !
single points easly run 6000 rpm plus , doul points 7000 .
chrysler and others accel / Mallory ect offered points for higher rpm 8500
just sayen !
New points and condensers have the same issues as an other new part these days, poor quality. Put new points in my 51 2 years ago, I have maybe 1000 miles on it and the rubbing block is worn out already. NOS is where it's at because it isn't going to get better and since no new car has come with points in a long time no one is going to step up to build quality stuff. the set in this car has less that 1k miles on it same S💩 To answer previous questions in order 1. Pooboy : When you say new kit, Are you referring to NOS or the current offerings? The only one I'm fining is Proform and my experience with their electrical components. It was so bad anytime a car came in with one of their HEI's we ALWAYS changed the modules out (Long story for an other day). I wouldn't be so concerned about Proforms offerings except for the control box. From what I've read it's hard to find a reliable one. Please comment if anyone knows otherwise And yes currently a single point dist. 2. MoreParts: May wind up going that way and buy an extra module 3. Cab: Being in the rust belt the chances of finding anything are next to zilch. Not to mention who pays for the time to go look? I do have a butt load of parts for both points and electronic but I believe most are small block. Actually thought about trying to mix and match putting soemthig together but there's that time factor again 4. CalRob: See Snipers and my response at the beginning of this response. I also have a Sun 504 distributor machine. 5. B1maxx See number 3 and then there's the control box issues that concerns me 6. Dragon slayer: being a 383, the distributor is a bit harder to come by quickly, I have plenty of OEM cams, pickup coils, and a New harness. The issue is time and a reliable ECU. 7. Sniper: thanks they both look like petronix units. However they show the rotor and magnetic ring separate. That would make me a bit warmer and fuzzier as years ago I learned caps and rotors from different sources were not always compatible. thanks to all for the responses, after many years of contributing, I am now getting help from others If there are more comments. suggestions, experiences, Please feel free to add them thanks again
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Re: Electronic igniton conversion questions
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09/19/23 01:36 PM
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I'm a big fan of the old MSD analog 6AL boxes tied to a recurved OEM Chrysler distributor.
This setup offers reliability, great spark and the ability for options like rev limiters, 2 step rev controllers and timing control (retard only).
The great thing is they are starting to get cheap since everyone wants the newest gadget. They are also very easy to hide under the battery box and retain a somewhat stock appearance.
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Re: Electronic igniton conversion questions
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09/20/23 11:50 PM
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I may be greedy but unless it is a good friend or someone who has helped me i keep my stash of distibuters, harnesz, ECU, roturs, caps, ballast resisters, voltage regs. But i do send them to Ray to get their own. He runs Halifaxhops and does rebuilds, has lots of good new/old parts and NOS stuff. Ray is legit. You can spend as much time talking to him as you have available. Would love to talk to him more.
I want my fair share
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Re: Electronic igniton conversion questions
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09/21/23 10:57 AM
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There are legit complaints that the trusted Pertronix conversion kits have gone cheap. Specifically thin non durable wires. Its crazy. In the 1980s many looked at OEM Chrysler stuff as sub standard- replaced with Accell Mallory and MSD almost immediately. Now all those discarded factory components are highly regarded and mentioned in stories from the good ole days.
Keep old mopars alive.
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