Re: New Morrison K frame assy
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04/09/23 11:49 AM
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Yeah, all the modern stuff I've worked on is high offset. The OEM guys figured out that they could stuff a lot things inside the wheel so they moved the hub way out and use basically a flat faced wheel with a ton of offset. It seems to work but it is a big change from the way muscle cars were designed. I agree. And I don’t like the looks of it. Deep dish rims look racey to me. i agree, but tire scrub is the price we pay for those looks.
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Re: New Morrison K frame assy
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04/09/23 07:46 PM
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So this is a prototype effort going into a build that will turn in to an off the shelf, semi-custom offering. Hmmmm, sounds cool. I do wonder what the track width will end up at in the "as delivered" product? It wouldn't think it would be too difficult to build (if they aren't already available off the shelf) longer control arms to create even more offset if desired.
Match that high offset front with a 70-73 C body or B body station wagon rear end housing and you got a big step up in track width. Sounds like that would result in a look similar to this abortion:
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Re: New Morrison K frame assy
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04/09/23 09:06 PM
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So this is a prototype effort going into a build that will turn in to an off the shelf, semi-custom offering. Hmmmm, sounds cool. I do wonder what the track width will end up at in the "as delivered" product? It wouldn't think it would be too difficult to build (if they aren't already available off the shelf) longer control arms to create even more offset if desired.
Match that high offset front with a 70-73 C body or B body station wagon rear end housing and you got a big step up in track width. Exactly my thoughts, a big step towards achieving a modern engineered wide body on an E body I hope. I don't want to speak for Morrisson, but this solution is likely aimed at those with deep pockets and are seeking bragging rights, or those that will be seeing track time. I have an appointment at Morrison on 5/18 with their engineers to see a mockup offering, and I'll have my checkbook.
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Re: New Morrison K frame assy
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04/10/23 01:00 AM
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Oh for crying out loud. It would look nothing like that.
If your increase your track width 3-4 inches, you are only extending each side out 1.5-2 inches. That is still within the fender lip of our old cars and with in increased positive offset wheel, could potentially provide reduced fender lip interference on the leading and trailing edge of the arc of a turn compared to the large negative offsets we're familiar with.
Relax man....I was kidding around. I don't like the flat face look of modern wheels with huge backspacing. They may be great for aerodynamics but I don't like the look of them.
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Re: New Morrison K frame assy
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04/10/23 08:34 AM
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So this is a prototype effort going into a build that will turn in to an off the shelf, semi-custom offering. Hmmmm, sounds cool. I do wonder what the track width will end up at in the "as delivered" product? It wouldn't think it would be too difficult to build (if they aren't already available off the shelf) longer control arms to create even more offset if desired.
Match that high offset front with a 70-73 C body or B body station wagon rear end housing and you got a big step up in track width. Sounds like that would result in a look similar to this abortion: Drunkle Tony's Garage. Just don't ask to see a time slip...
'63 Dodge 330
11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
9.92 @ 135mph with a 350 shot of nitrous and 93 octane pump. 1.43 60 ft. 3,750 lbs.
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Re: New Morrison K frame assy
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04/10/23 12:06 PM
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Interesting cutout for the sway bar. Seems....excessive.
'63 Dodge 330
11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
9.92 @ 135mph with a 350 shot of nitrous and 93 octane pump. 1.43 60 ft. 3,750 lbs.
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Re: New Morrison K frame assy
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04/11/23 12:21 PM
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Interesting cutout for the sway bar. Seems....excessive. I don't know why they didn't design (bend) the sway bar so it turns down faster and under the k-frame???
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Re: New Morrison K frame assy
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05/25/23 09:26 PM
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Got home last night, on 5/18 I visited Morrison and got the full impressive shop tour and put hands on the prototype Mopar IFS pictured. Met with "TR" and this I took away: they expect to be at Mopar Carlisle with a finished product, 4.5" BC will be an option, its design purpose is primarily improved suspension geometry for modern tire/brake set-ups, they will delete motor mount options for motor plate applications, brake options with C6 spindles are nearly unlimited, I'm pushing for a 14" mm x 4.5" wheel stud option, but nobody knows yet if the hub package will allow it, it's well built and robust, the hollow SB is offered with 3 optional settings, SB wall thickness changes would be next step for different rates, and not yet offered, have asked about different steering rates, only two currently offered. I own a Reily K member set-up, this is a big step up in this area both in performance capability and price, IMO.
PS Olympic Park, North Cascades, (both bucket list) and Boeing Museum of Flight (2nd time) sure made for a wonderful visit to Washington for this Florida boy.
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Re: New Morrison K frame assy
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06/12/23 09:42 PM
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That request has already been submitted. They use a pretty visibly short steering arm already, so it might be faster than we are assuming.
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Re: New Morrison K frame assy
[Re: Andrewh]
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07/27/23 01:37 PM
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I was and still interested in that item. Lots of options, North of $6K. Was it showcased/displayed at Carlisle? If not, that was a missed opportunity. It got moved back in priority as my 448 Sb Block came up with terminal issues at the machine shop.
Last edited by jcc; 07/27/23 01:38 PM.
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