Re: dial back vs D cell timing light
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I NOW have one with the d cell battery, they say it is good for MSD , I trust it
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Re: dial back vs D cell timing light
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Many dial back lights are confused by Msd type of ignitions. Ferret made the best timing lights but they went out of business. They where sold as several different brands Including Msd. Maybe Msd bought them out?
I don't own a dial back. The non dial back chrome sears craftsman/penske lights have been reliable for me. I also have a D cell light that works and has less wires to get cut or melted.
Last edited by GomangoCuda; 07/23/23 08:10 PM.
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Re: dial back vs D cell timing light
[Re: mopar dave]
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When you find a timing light you trust do not lone it out. I was and idiot and loaned mine to a college educated mechanical engineer. Two times I told him to lay the wires out of the way. Yep. Five minutes later he came back with my timing light wires almost melted through. He bought me a used piece of she- ite from Facebook. Yaaa it’s worked real well.
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Re: dial back vs D cell timing light
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07/23/23 09:24 PM
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Using a digital dial-back light here - INNOVA 3568.
The nice thing is that with a quick push of a button I get multiple functions: RPM, Timing, Dwell, all in a convenient display.
Makes for easy idle check, followed by RPM rise to see when the rest of the mechanical advance curve kicks and is all in. Appears to be spot on, it matched my old dial-back light.
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Re: dial back vs D cell timing light
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07/24/23 08:37 AM
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I (and other people I know) have seen an issue with some fancy dial back Snap-On timing lights and certain MSD ignitions. Not small variances but way off. When we have had that problem we just found and old chrome timing light from the 70's and checked the timing and it was right where we knew it was.
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Re: dial back vs D cell timing light
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07/24/23 10:48 AM
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Street car, daily driver, bone stock...dial back so you can line up the TDC mark to the pointer for timing. Off a degree or two, who cares.
Race/performance with a degreed damper and/or MSD... no dial backs
Old chrome Sears, Penske,Craftsman, MSD light or self powered Flaming River, although the battery powered units are usually only slightly brighter than a Bic lighter.
And verify the marks are right when you put the engine together.
Last edited by CMcAllister; 07/24/23 10:50 AM.
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Re: dial back vs D cell timing light
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When you find a timing light you trust do not lone it out. I was and idiot and loaned mine to a college educated mechanical engineer. Two times I told him to lay the wires out of the way. Yep. Five minutes later he came back with my timing light wires almost melted through. He bought me a used piece of she- ite from Facebook. Yaaa it’s worked real well.
THIS^^^^^ All timing lights have a slew rate. That affects what they read. Pick a light, tune with it and stick with it. What it says is far less important that tuning with the same light.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: dial back vs D cell timing light
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When you find a timing light you trust do not lone it out. I was and idiot and loaned mine to a college educated mechanical engineer. Two times I told him to lay the wires out of the way. Yep. Five minutes later he came back with my timing light wires almost melted through. He bought me a used piece of she- ite from Facebook. Yaaa it’s worked real well.
Yep, I loaned out my favorite craftsman light and it came back with a broken inductive pickup. I also loaned out a compression gage that never did make it back. I have an old Brown and Sharp dial caliper with a broken bezel. I didn't break it. I should have known better. A mechanic back in the early 70's told me "You make your living with your tools. You don't loan them out and you don't ask to borrow them from another mechanic. If you need a tool buy it and then you will have it." Since I no longer make my living with my tools I have gotten a little lax with that rule and it bit me.
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Re: dial back vs D cell timing light
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Using a digital dial-back light here - INNOVA 3568.
The nice thing is that with a quick push of a button I get multiple functions: RPM, Timing, Dwell, all in a convenient display.
Makes for easy idle check, followed by RPM rise to see when the rest of the mechanical advance curve kicks and is all in. Appears to be spot on, it matched my old dial-back light. We're looking to upgrade to digital dial-back light here. That Innova 3568 looks like got some good features. Still waiting for the brake pads and mud tires to be mounted on the Wrangler JK before we can clear the garage and start the Charger mods.
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Re: dial back vs D cell timing light
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there is only ONE person i lend any of my tools to, and that guy respects and treats my tools with kid gloves. he is also a fellow machinist and probably my oldest friend. when i need something, he is there for me as well. at times, accidents will happen, no matter how careful we try to be. [ALL accidents are PREVENTABLE, as all the safety videos say ] if that occurs, either of us replaces the broken item with the same, or better quality, item. when that occurs, there is the back and forth bitc$h session of "you duma$$, you didn't HAVE to do that !"........ also, all the broken tools get tossed into a 5 gallon bucket to be used when we need to fabricate a tool for a "one use or oddball" application. over the years, we have acquired quite a collection of those types of tools. ya never know when we will need it again...............[probably never ]
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