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Quiktree and Sixpackgut #316233
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We take the angle of the transmission to the angle of the pinion. We don't
use the driveashaft measurement. If you + 5 degrees on the rear end and -2.5
on the output shaft of the transmission. You have a total of +2.5" degrees
of pinion angle. You need the rear end at 0 to -1 degrees down.
Travis VanKirk
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Re: Quiktree and Sixpackgut [Re: moparniac] #316234
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Who's your daddy

Re: Quiktree and Sixpackgut [Re: Quicktree] #316235
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maybe he has the same book as you

anyway, if there the numbers off your car, it works out the same wedgie


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Re: Quiktree and Sixpackgut [Re: Quicktree] #316236
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O lord ! You made his week that one !

Re: Quiktree and Sixpackgut [Re: moparniac] #316237
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We take the angle of the transmission to the angle of the pinion. We don't
use the driveashaft measurement. If you + 5 degrees on the rear end and -2.5
on the output shaft of the transmission. You have a total of +2.5" degrees
of pinion angle. You need the rear end at 0 to -1 degrees down.
Travis VanKirk
Calvert Racing Suspensions






Ask Travis how to do a 4x4 pinion angle, a two piece driveshaft pinion angle, etc etc
Strange, but things will start to look less rosy without the proper terminology...

Ask him!



Hey Quicktree....



haha


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Re: Quiktree and Sixpackgut [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #316238
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hey wedgie, here is your post on the other thread
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Okay quiktree..... I had my buddy under ther checking the back of the tranny..... I went out today and did it myself and its clearly 2.5 down on the tranny and +.5 on the back of the dana 60 and dead nuts 0* on the driveshaft.....

you guys talk about working angles n such / driveshaft... etc etc etc

So by rays way (off the driveshaft) im up .5 but your saying off the tranny which im -2 total your way! So whats it matter if it looks some up in the pic by your calcs? So a 2* wedge will make it whatever you and rays way is right






this is not the same as Travis' answer to you unless there is a typo somewhere. if these are the correct numbers, by Travis' and "who's your Daddy" way then they are saying your 2* down when you know yourself that the pinion and driveshaft are at positive angles.

with the end of the tranny being about 12" off the ground and the rear pinion around 12" off the ground, how could 2* down on the crank centerline and 2* up on the pinion centerline be 0* pinion angle when the the driveshaft and pinion angle will be positive. in a big tire car this senerio<sp? gets worse with the pinion higher than the tranny. what does "THE BOOK" say about that

guys that build real racecars
http://www.wolferacecraft.com/pinionangle.aspx




i'm done fighting with friends over this complete nonsense

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Re: Quiktree and Sixpackgut [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #316239
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We take the angle of the transmission to the angle of the pinion. We don't
use the driveashaft measurement. If you + 5 degrees on the rear end and -2.5
on the output shaft of the transmission. You have a total of +2.5" degrees
of pinion angle. You need the rear end at 0 to -1 degrees down.
Travis VanKirk
Calvert Racing Suspensions






Ask Travis how to do a 4x4 pinion angle, a two piece driveshaft pinion angle, etc etc
Strange, but things will start to look less rosy without the proper terminology...

Ask him!



Hey Quicktree....



haha




sorry dude we drag race and they are not 4x4s. I could care less how they set them up.

Re: Quiktree and Sixpackgut [Re: sixpackgut] #316240
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hey wedgie, here is your post on the other thread
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Okay quiktree..... I had my buddy under ther checking the back of the tranny..... I went out today and did it myself and its clearly 2.5 down on the tranny and +.5 on the back of the dana 60 and dead nuts 0* on the driveshaft.....

you guys talk about working angles n such / driveshaft... etc etc etc

So by rays way (off the driveshaft) im up .5 but your saying off the tranny which im -2 total your way! So whats it matter if it looks some up in the pic by your calcs? So a 2* wedge will make it whatever you and rays way is right






this is not the same as Travis' answer to you unless there is a typo somewhere. if these are the correct numbers, by Travis' and "who's your Daddy" way then they are saying your 2* down when you know yourself that the pinion and driveshaft are at positive angles.

with the end of the tranny being about 12" off the ground and the rear pinion around 12" off the ground, how could 2* down on the crank centerline and 2* up on the pinion centerline be 0* pinion angle when the the driveshaft and pinion angle will be positive. in a big tire car this senerio<sp? gets worse with the pinion higher than the tranny. what does "THE BOOK" say about that

guys that build real racecars
http://www.wolferacecraft.com/pinionangle.aspx




i'm done fighting with friends over this complete nonsense




Ray we are not fighting just trying to teach you something most of the "Books" say to set it off of the drive shaft. but keep in mind most of them are 30 years old.

Re: Quiktree and Sixpackgut [Re: Quicktree] #316241
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We take the angle of the transmission to the angle of the pinion. We don't
use the driveashaft measurement. If you + 5 degrees on the rear end and -2.5
on the output shaft of the transmission. You have a total of +2.5" degrees
of pinion angle. You need the rear end at 0 to -1 degrees down.
Travis VanKirk
Calvert Racing Suspensions






Ask Travis how to do a 4x4 pinion angle, a two piece driveshaft pinion angle, etc etc
Strange, but things will start to look less rosy without the proper terminology...

Ask him!



Hey Quicktree....



haha




sorry dude we drag race and they are not 4x4s. I could care less how they set them up.




I think you will find many people who STRICTLY DRAG RACE go for a straight driveline angle under full power, they eliminate the operating angle or adjust it to suit their needs.... u-joint longevity is sacrificed for a maximum output of power.

Quicktree?
I lovvvve you!


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We take the angle of the transmission to the angle of the pinion. We don't
use the driveashaft measurement. If you + 5 degrees on the rear end and -2.5
on the output shaft of the transmission. You have a total of +2.5" degrees
of pinion angle. You need the rear end at 0 to -1 degrees down.
Travis VanKirk
Calvert Racing Suspensions






Ask Travis how to do a 4x4 pinion angle, a two piece driveshaft pinion angle, etc etc
Strange, but things will start to look less rosy without the proper terminology...

Ask him!



Hey Quicktree....



haha




sorry dude we drag race and they are not 4x4s. I could care less how they set them up.




I think you will find many people who STRICTLY DRAG RACE go for a straight driveline angle under full power, they eliminate the operating angle or adjust it to suit their needs.... u-joint longevity is sacrificed for a maximum output of power.

Quicktree?
I lovvvve you!





hey with that. not the lovvve part though

Re: Quiktree and Sixpackgut [Re: Quicktree] #316243
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We take the angle of the transmission to the angle of the pinion. We don't
use the driveashaft measurement. If you + 5 degrees on the rear end and -2.5
on the output shaft of the transmission. You have a total of +2.5" degrees
of pinion angle. You need the rear end at 0 to -1 degrees down.
Travis VanKirk
Calvert Racing Suspensions






Ask Travis how to do a 4x4 pinion angle, a two piece driveshaft pinion angle, etc etc
Strange, but things will start to look less rosy without the proper terminology...

Ask him!



Hey Quicktree....



haha




sorry dude we drag race and they are not 4x4s. I could care less how they set them up.




I think you will find many people who STRICTLY DRAG RACE go for a straight driveline angle under full power, they eliminate the operating angle or adjust it to suit their needs.... u-joint longevity is sacrificed for a maximum output of power.

Quicktree?
I lovvvve you!





hey with that. not the lovvve part though




That's OK.
I can handle rejection.


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