Re: Converter stall speed ? 572 B1 heads, PG trans
[Re: 440Jim]
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I'm no expert on this stuff but I would think folk might need a bit more info regarding the combo, like weight, rear tyre, rear gear etc.
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Re: Converter stall speed ? 572 B1 heads, PG trans
[Re: 440Jim]
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YES! The better question is what did if fall to at the shift and where do you shift it? I know nothing about what power you make or where but you are likely 1000 rpm+- short of where it needs to be based on my experience with B1 stuff.
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Re: Converter stall speed ? 572 B1 heads, PG trans
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Definitely looser. What are you shifting at? Like Al says I bet your 1000 RPM off. I don't like a lot of RPM fallback with a glide. Right now mine drops 500 at the shift.
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Re: Converter stall speed ? 572 B1 heads, PG trans
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YES! The better question is what did if fall to at the shift and where do you shift it? I know nothing about what power you make or where but you are likely 1000 rpm+- short of where it needs to be based on my experience with B1 stuff. I have not run this much... This run shifted at 7,400 and it fell back to 5,700 rpm. I don't have dyno data. It does run quicker and more mph shifting at 7,400 instead of 7,000. I believe the stall is lower than optimal, and just looking to confirm this opinion. I am fine with going slower and 5,400 rpm. This run was with 32 deg ignition timing. It does sixty foot better with more timing. 1.19-1.20 so far. About 2750 lbs (I need to rescale the car since removing the iron block/iron head combo at 2845 lbs) 4.56 rear gear, 33" tall tires.
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Re: Converter stall speed ? 572 B1 heads, PG trans
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This run shifted at 7,400 and it fell back to 5,700 rpm. That's what I figured.... Loosen that thing up a ton. What size converter is it? Bet its a 9 inch. I have the tightest 8 inch anyone can build in my car. 2870lbs 1.18 60 ft. 850 or so HP. Flashes 6300. The next is a loose 9 inch and I don't have enough HP to make that work.
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Re: Converter stall speed ? 572 B1 heads, PG trans
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YES! The better question is what did if fall to at the shift and where do you shift it? I know nothing about what power you make or where but you are likely 1000 rpm+- short of where it needs to be based on my experience with B1 stuff. I have not run this much... This run shifted at 7,400 and it fell back to 5,700 rpm. I don't have dyno data. It does run quicker and more mph shifting at 7,400 instead of 7,000. I believe the stall is lower than optimal, and just looking to confirm this opinion. I am fine with going slower and 5,400 rpm. This run was with 32 deg ignition timing. It does sixty foot better with more timing. 1.19-1.20 so far. About 2750 lbs (I need to rescale the car since removing the iron block/iron head combo at 2845 lbs) 4.56 rear gear, 33" tall tires. I saw 105 lbs going from an early megablock to the BMP block. Plus you had iron heads before? probably 145 lbs lighter
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Re: Converter stall speed ? 572 B1 heads, PG trans
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Shift fall back is what matters, its also TRUE stall speed. Like I stated earlier you are at least 1000 rpm short if not 1400. I woudl shoot for way closer to 64-6600. Ideally you want that fallback number UNDER 1000rpm
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Re: Converter stall speed ? 572 B1 heads, PG trans
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Put it in high gear, hold the foot brake and mat the gas pedal, see what it stalls to. What about using the trans brake to hold the car, pull the 2-step rpm chip and see. Likely somewhere near the 5,400 (+/- 500?). Even that would make me nervous against the engine's full throttle. I like the point Al makes about the shift recovery rpm, and I have that data now. So, the consensus seems to be the converter is a significant reason the car's ET is not as quick as the engine build might think. And the 4150 carb, too. I can live with 5.50 in the 1/8 mile, knowing the engine has more capability if other things are changed to make use of it.
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Re: Converter stall speed ? 572 B1 heads, PG trans
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jim, if you are a dedicated bracket racer only, then it may not be important to restall the converter? All you need do is repeat, round after round. Greg, I bet it would be would be much much more consistent with a loose converter. Loose always more consistent for me.
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Re: Converter stall speed ? 572 B1 heads, PG trans
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My 3600lb 64 Savoy has a B1 original headed 540. It has been 5.60's back east. 5.70's here in Vegas, it also has a 4150 carb on it, so yeah you are leaving plenty on the table and with a glide if the converter is tight and the drop back is high its gonna be slow. You need to be much closer to 64-6600 if not more with a lite car and a glide.
Yes pulling the chip and wooding it on the brake will tell you as well. Most Super Gas guys leave off the converter, but drop back will tell you the stall speed.
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Re: Converter stall speed ? 572 B1 heads, PG trans
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So your flash stall is 5400, I am with Al, you are at least 1000 rpm short. I run a B1 512, with 282 intake duration, since it's a stock block I run it real conservative, flash stall is 6300, fall back is 6100, shift is 6900. Car is about 500lbs lighter than you. HP is 825. I run a 1.80 glide
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Re: Converter stall speed ? 572 B1 heads, PG trans
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Mine pulls down to 6300. Shift anywhere from 6900-7200 doesnt mater. It could probaly be even a touch looser. And thats with a 3 speed. I'll bet it's more critivle with a 2 speed. Doug
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