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Re: Another Cummins Question [Re: 6PakBee] #3139961
04/22/23 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 6PakBee
I just pulled the oil filter adapter off this afternoon looking for a gasket problem. My question has been answered. What you see down the bore is NOT a seat for the relief valve plunger, it's a stop. And the diagrams in both the Dodge FSM and the Cummins repair manuals about how the valve functions are grossly inaccurate.


Did you check with Cummins to see what they say the oil pressure should be ? I have a 98 but it's a 24V and my oil pressure on the dash gauge is 60 cold and when running down the highway , I haven't put a mechanical to compare it . I found it odd , they must have changed something because the gauge in my 2000 don't think reads as high as the 98 but the needle goes to a similar spot ??? It's been a long time since I've run the 2000.


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Re: Another Cummins Question [Re: JohnRR] #3140336
04/24/23 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnRR
Originally Posted by 6PakBee
I just pulled the oil filter adapter off this afternoon looking for a gasket problem. My question has been answered. What you see down the bore is NOT a seat for the relief valve plunger, it's a stop. And the diagrams in both the Dodge FSM and the Cummins repair manuals about how the valve functions are grossly inaccurate.


Did you check with Cummins to see what they say the oil pressure should be ? I have a 98 but it's a 24V and my oil pressure on the dash gauge is 60 cold and when running down the highway , I haven't put a mechanical to compare it . I found it odd , they must have changed something because the gauge in my 2000 don't think reads as high as the 98 but the needle goes to a similar spot ??? It's been a long time since I've run the 2000.

It is not an actual gauge, the sender is just an open/close switch. The gauge reading is software based on engine temp and RPM.


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Re: Another Cummins Question [Re: Guitar Jones] #3140852
04/26/23 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Originally Posted by JohnRR
Originally Posted by 6PakBee
I just pulled the oil filter adapter off this afternoon looking for a gasket problem. My question has been answered. What you see down the bore is NOT a seat for the relief valve plunger, it's a stop. And the diagrams in both the Dodge FSM and the Cummins repair manuals about how the valve functions are grossly inaccurate.


Did you check with Cummins to see what they say the oil pressure should be ? I have a 98 but it's a 24V and my oil pressure on the dash gauge is 60 cold and when running down the highway , I haven't put a mechanical to compare it . I found it odd , they must have changed something because the gauge in my 2000 don't think reads as high as the 98 but the needle goes to a similar spot ??? It's been a long time since I've run the 2000.

It is not an actual gauge, the sender is just an open/close switch. The gauge reading is software based on engine temp and RPM.


Which is why I noted they are on the same spot on the gauge but the reading numbers are different and suggested finding out from Cummins as to what the actual oil pressures are supposed to be.


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Re: Another Cummins Question [Re: JohnRR] #3148624
06/04/23 03:17 PM
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Well, it's time to bring this thread to a close. First off, what did I do. I regasketed the oil cooler/oil filter adapter and that seems to have raised the oil pressure regardless of how you are measuring it. I carefully looked at both gaskets and can see nothing wrong. But it is what it is. As to those who mentioned the inaccuracy of the IP gauge, that is the understatement of the century. I installed a permanent second gauge plumbed into the spare port at the top of the oil filter adapter. These are the results.

At an ambient of 75 degrees just after startup:

@1000 rpm, IP gauge = 60 psig, aftermarket gauge = 75 psig
@2000 rpm, IP gauge = 70 psig, aftermarket gauge = 100 psig (100 psig range so this may be higher)


At operating temperature (have no idea what the engine temperature is, just that it stabilized):

@idle, IP gauge = 20, aftermarket gauge = 37 psig
@1000 rpm, IP gauge = 20 psig, aftermarket gauge = 40 psig
@2000 rpm, IP gauge = 40 psig, aftermarket gauge = 75 psig

One thing that I found interesting was that when I let the clutch out and and the engine speed momentarily drops below idle, the IP pressure gauge goes to 0, the bells start chiming, and the aftermarket gauge still shows slightly less than 30 psig.

So, what have I learned?

1) You can perform a self test on the instrument cluster using the trip odometer reset button.
2) All of you guys are right, the IP oil pressure gauge is barely connected to reality.
3) If you do a comparison between the IP gauge and a test gauge, single point comparisons can be misleading. I wire-tied a mechanical gauge I had to the left windshield wiper arm and drove the truck like that for a couple days. Amazing what you find over a range of operation conditions.
4) There is a TSB covering this very problem, TSB 08-22-99. I don't think mine has been reprogrammed as it doesn't have the update decal on the PCM. And before someone asks, I'm not driving 150 miles to have this done when I have the aftermarket gauge.

So, that's that, I consider this matter closed. Thanks to everyone that commented. up


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