All good points Nutso. That said, I'd still love to see all sorts of lawsuits against the gov, specifically the exec branch, for believing they can "Mandate" anything in this country. That would be the job of the Legislative side and trying to use the 1970 Clean Air act powers is a real reach. The Government has No business picking "Winners and Losers". This should have happened some time ago. I'm sure the Rivians excel is great, but how long could you drive it like that also. Saw my first one about 2 weeks ago. Looks just like that Honda half truck. Useful for garbage runs out here in the country but that is about it. As others have stated, EVs may well be the future, but not these EVs. An EV with at least 500 mile range and a battery about the size of a briefcase. You look at Computers, it is doable, but realistically, probably 25-40 years out. 7 states have decided to follow CA and ban new ICE vehicle sales by 2035. That is simply not realistic and perhaps a step way too far. Already, while moving certain goods, I am told that we have trucks that drive to the CA border for DoD and then sit and wait for a CA legal Semi to come to the border to pick up the load. That is insane, effects not only national defense, but also trips the federal gov because it now also effects commerce.
It was a major chore just for this guy to get his home after buying it.
Re: An honest eval from an EV owner 1 year in
[Re: 5thAve]
#3142284 05/03/2301:52 PM05/03/2301:52 PM
You are not going to get much heat out of an IC vehicle heater at minus 35C either, you can try the cardboard trick, but good luck getting a piece in there with today's cars.
Never had problem getting heat when it's -35 out, it doesn't take much longer to start blowing warm just takes a bit longer to actually warm up the inside of the car.
Same.
Our V8 Ram, little patriot jeep and anything else we have purchased over the past 30 years has warmed up & operated just fine in -40 weather....even on the occasional day it gets colder than that, I've not had to use a winter front of any kind.
Cars & trucks from the '70s & '80s certainly needed help with keeping warm....anyone else here old enough to remember the stick on frost shields we used to put on a vehicles side windows to keep at least part of them clear?
....evil is winning....
Re: An honest eval from an EV owner 1 year in
[Re: a12rag]
#3142306 05/03/2303:34 PM05/03/2303:34 PM
Last week I flew into Vancouver, BC for meetings . . .rented a car - Hertz rental had a "Tesla 3" for rent . . .uhh, nope . . . I have NO IDEA where the damn charging sites are . . . and, do I have to bring it back "fully charged" ??? . . . just easier to rent a "regular" vehicle
A Tesla tells you where the sites are...
I have a coworker that drives his Tesla 125 miles round trip every day. Zero issues. Cost him about $5 a day for charging. He's driven it to Florida and back, along with other road trips. Zero issues. Him, and I discuss them every once in a while. Will I buy one? No. I'll keep driving my cheap daily that cost my $7K 4 years ago, and gets 40mpg. I'm just not a new car person...
69 GTX
68 Road Runner
Re: An honest eval from an EV owner 1 year in
[Re: JERICOGTX]
#3142348 05/03/2305:37 PM05/03/2305:37 PM
Last week I flew into Vancouver, BC for meetings . . .rented a car - Hertz rental had a "Tesla 3" for rent . . .uhh, nope . . . I have NO IDEA where the damn charging sites are . . . and, do I have to bring it back "fully charged" ??? . . . just easier to rent a "regular" vehicle
A Tesla tells you where the sites are...
I have a coworker that drives his Tesla 125 miles round trip every day. Zero issues. Cost him about $5 a day for charging. He's driven it to Florida and back, along with other road trips. Zero issues. Him, and I discuss them every once in a while. Will I buy one? No. I'll keep driving my cheap daily that cost my $7K 4 years ago, and gets 40mpg. I'm just not a new car person...
Florida trip would require too many long duration stops to charge for me to stomach...not for me.
Never, ever argue with an IDIOT. They will drag you to their level and then beat you with their years of experience
Re: An honest eval from an EV owner 1 year in
[Re: oldjonny]
#3142352 05/03/2305:55 PM05/03/2305:55 PM
Last week I flew into Vancouver, BC for meetings . . .rented a car - Hertz rental had a "Tesla 3" for rent . . .uhh, nope . . . I have NO IDEA where the damn charging sites are . . . and, do I have to bring it back "fully charged" ??? . . . just easier to rent a "regular" vehicle
A Tesla tells you where the sites are...
I have a coworker that drives his Tesla 125 miles round trip every day. Zero issues. Cost him about $5 a day for charging. He's driven it to Florida and back, along with other road trips. Zero issues. Him, and I discuss them every once in a while. Will I buy one? No. I'll keep driving my cheap daily that cost my $7K 4 years ago, and gets 40mpg. I'm just not a new car person...
Florida trip would require too many long duration stops to charge for me to stomach...not for me.
From what I gather Tesla has it largely figured out, even fast charging, the others - not so much.
Re: An honest eval from an EV owner 1 year in
[Re: JERICOGTX]
#3142355 05/03/2306:35 PM05/03/2306:35 PM
Last week I flew into Vancouver, BC for meetings . . .rented a car - Hertz rental had a "Tesla 3" for rent . . .uhh, nope . . . I have NO IDEA where the damn charging sites are . . . and, do I have to bring it back "fully charged" ??? . . . just easier to rent a "regular" vehicle
A Tesla tells you where the sites are...
I have a coworker that drives his Tesla 125 miles round trip every day. Zero issues. Cost him about $5 a day for charging. He's driven it to Florida and back, along with other road trips. Zero issues. Him, and I discuss them every once in a while. Will I buy one? No. I'll keep driving my cheap daily that cost my $7K 4 years ago, and gets 40mpg. I'm just not a new car person...
Hertz should have all that on their website if they want people to rent them . . .
Re: An honest eval from an EV owner 1 year in
[Re: JERICOGTX]
#3142363 05/03/2307:29 PM05/03/2307:29 PM
Last week I flew into Vancouver, BC for meetings . . .rented a car - Hertz rental had a "Tesla 3" for rent . . .uhh, nope . . . I have NO IDEA where the damn charging sites are . . . and, do I have to bring it back "fully charged" ??? . . . just easier to rent a "regular" vehicle
A Tesla tells you where the sites are...
I have a coworker that drives his Tesla 125 miles round trip every day. Zero issues. Cost him about $5 a day for charging. He's driven it to Florida and back, along with other road trips. Zero issues. Him, and I discuss them every once in a while. Will I buy one? No. I'll keep driving my cheap daily that cost my $7K 4 years ago, and gets 40mpg. I'm just not a new car person...
From Minneapolis to Tallahassee
Using Tesla's trip planner - 26 hours Using Google maps - 21 hours
Re: An honest eval from an EV owner 1 year in
[Re: a12rag]
#3142372 05/03/2308:14 PM05/03/2308:14 PM
Last week I flew into Vancouver, BC for meetings . . .rented a car - Hertz rental had a "Tesla 3" for rent . . .uhh, nope . . . I have NO IDEA where the damn charging sites are . . . and, do I have to bring it back "fully charged" ??? . . . just easier to rent a "regular" vehicle
A Tesla tells you where the sites are...
I have a coworker that drives his Tesla 125 miles round trip every day. Zero issues. Cost him about $5 a day for charging. He's driven it to Florida and back, along with other road trips. Zero issues. Him, and I discuss them every once in a while. Will I buy one? No. I'll keep driving my cheap daily that cost my $7K 4 years ago, and gets 40mpg. I'm just not a new car person...
Hertz should have all that on their website if they want people to rent them . . .
Have what on their website?
The only thing you need to know when you’re in a Tesla is where you are going. You don’t need to know where the charging stations are, the car knows.
Last edited by BSB67; 05/03/2308:26 PM.
Re: An honest eval from an EV owner 1 year in
[Re: BSB67]
#3142385 05/03/2309:04 PM05/03/2309:04 PM
Last week I flew into Vancouver, BC for meetings . . .rented a car - Hertz rental had a "Tesla 3" for rent . . .uhh, nope . . . I have NO IDEA where the damn charging sites are . . . and, do I have to bring it back "fully charged" ??? . . . just easier to rent a "regular" vehicle
A Tesla tells you where the sites are...
I have a coworker that drives his Tesla 125 miles round trip every day. Zero issues. Cost him about $5 a day for charging. He's driven it to Florida and back, along with other road trips. Zero issues. Him, and I discuss them every once in a while. Will I buy one? No. I'll keep driving my cheap daily that cost my $7K 4 years ago, and gets 40mpg. I'm just not a new car person...
Hertz should have all that on their website if they want people to rent them . . .
Have what on their website?
The only thing you need to know when you’re in a Tesla is where you are going. You don’t need to know where the charging stations are, the car knows.
So the car will dictate which route I take because that's where the chargers are? Another big no!
Re: An honest eval from an EV owner 1 year in
[Re: Dcuda69]
#3142398 05/03/2310:35 PM05/03/2310:35 PM
I have a coworker that drives his Tesla 125 miles round trip every day. Zero issues. Cost him about $5 a day for charging. He's driven it to Florida and back, along with other road trips. Zero issues. Him, and I discuss them every once in a while. Will I buy one? No. I'll keep driving my cheap daily that cost my $7K 4 years ago, and gets 40mpg. I'm just not a new car person...
Hertz should have all that on their website if they want people to rent them . . .
Have what on their website?
The only thing you need to know when you’re in a Tesla is where you are going. You don’t need to know where the charging stations are, the car knows.
So the car will dictate which route I take because that's where the chargers are? Another big no!
No. But charging stations are limited relative to gas stations. But you'll know your options before you pull out of the driveway.
Teslas are nice, well packaged cars that provide a good driving experience. Certainly an individual's needs and location play a big role in that. But lets not let the facts get in the way of a good EV bashing.
The original post is pretty spot on.
Re: An honest eval from an EV owner 1 year in
[Re: BSB67]
#3142399 05/03/2310:45 PM05/03/2310:45 PM
I'll just throw this out there for E-Fuels which is not so good a cost per gallon solution AT THE MOMENT. A new plant in Texas should help a little to bring the cost down and if they get enough industry on board and build more production plants and really bring the cost down then it could be at least somewhat of a hope for the ICE
Re: An honest eval from an EV owner 1 year in
[Re: 360view]
#3142449 05/04/2309:10 AM05/04/2309:10 AM
The original successful fuel for Diesel engines was peanut oil, after “the free fuel” coal dust kept wearing out engine parts.
All the carbon in peanut oil comes from CO2 that was in the air recently. Peanut oil is “carbon neutral.”
Many other vegetable oils can do double duty as diesel fuel.
To get EVs like Teslas to be able to complete +300 mile road trips in varying temperature weather, some one needs to fab up a little diesel generator set with a very quiet “tuned stub” muffler that runs on peanut, or some other vegetable oil.
The gen set and its fuel tank needs to set in a spill proof metal tub that fits the EV trunk floor plan, and has a latch to hold the trunk lid open a few inches to the air for ventilation.
The gen set power outlet needs to be custom connected to the EV “regenerative braking electrical circuit” so that the EV can be charged while driving.
I guess E85 fuel could also be used on gasoline gen sets, but vegetable oil in grocery stores is more widely available than E85, and more explosion resistant. Same with propane.
One would have to declare and pay federal and state road tax on non-traditional vehicle fuel. By law you have many days to do that paper work.
In line with current slang these would be “ghost gensets”
Re: An honest eval from an EV owner 1 year in
[Re: oldjonny]
#3142488 05/04/2311:59 AM05/04/2311:59 AM
Last week I flew into Vancouver, BC for meetings . . .rented a car - Hertz rental had a "Tesla 3" for rent . . .uhh, nope . . . I have NO IDEA where the damn charging sites are . . . and, do I have to bring it back "fully charged" ??? . . . just easier to rent a "regular" vehicle
A Tesla tells you where the sites are...
I have a coworker that drives his Tesla 125 miles round trip every day. Zero issues. Cost him about $5 a day for charging. He's driven it to Florida and back, along with other road trips. Zero issues. Him, and I discuss them every once in a while. Will I buy one? No. I'll keep driving my cheap daily that cost my $7K 4 years ago, and gets 40mpg. I'm just not a new car person...
Florida trip would require too many long duration stops to charge for me to stomach...not for me.
No doubt. My wife works with some people that took a Tesla on a trip to the beach in North Carolina. Once they hit the mountains, it was game over. Required an overnight stay in order to charge up. That’s right, these awesome machines that have barely increased range since being proclaimed “the future” like ten years ago, will require you to cut loads of time off your vacation. Think about that, cut two days off a trip so you can save the planet. One lithium. Mine at a time.
Sure, they make sense at terminals, around town, probably one car per family, with something like my suv as the second vehicle. My gas guzzler suv would’ve made that beach trip for those people on one stop for five minutes to refuel, maybe even make it the whole way on one tank. Also didn’t require taxpayers to pay a kings ransom to Elon mush on top of the market price. Remember, a rebate from the government only increases the bottom line for the company, it doesn’t reduce the price of the car for the consumer. That’s Econ 101 right there.
I want my fair share
Re: An honest eval from an EV owner 1 year in
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
#3142578 05/04/2308:58 PM05/04/2308:58 PM
The only thing you need to know when you’re in a Tesla is where you are going. You don’t need to know where the charging stations are, the car knows.
So the car will dictate which route I take because that's where the chargers are? Another big no!
No. But charging stations are limited relative to gas stations. But you'll know your options before you pull out of the driveway.
Teslas are nice, well packaged cars that provide a good driving experience. Certainly an individual's needs and location play a big role in that. But lets not let the facts get in the way of a good EV bashing.
The original post is pretty spot on.
So the limited charge stations will dictate my route....at least I'll know where I can't go...fantastic! NOT!!
Re: An honest eval from an EV owner 1 year in
[Re: 360view]
#3142630 05/05/2307:03 AM05/05/2307:03 AM
The original successful fuel for Diesel engines was peanut oil, after “the free fuel” coal dust kept wearing out engine parts.
All the carbon in peanut oil comes from CO2 that was in the air recently. Peanut oil is “carbon neutral.”
Many other vegetable oils can do double duty as diesel fuel.
To get EVs like Teslas to be able to complete +300 mile road trips in varying temperature weather, some one needs to fab up a little diesel generator set with a very quiet “tuned stub” muffler that runs on peanut, or some other vegetable oil.
The gen set and its fuel tank needs to set in a spill proof metal tub that fits the EV trunk floor plan, and has a latch to hold the trunk lid open a few inches to the air for ventilation.
The gen set power outlet needs to be custom connected to the EV “regenerative braking electrical circuit” so that the EV can be charged while driving.
I guess E85 fuel could also be used on gasoline gen sets, but vegetable oil in grocery stores is more widely available than E85, and more explosion resistant. Same with propane.
One would have to declare and pay federal and state road tax on non-traditional vehicle fuel. By law you have many days to do that paper work.
In line with current slang these would be “ghost gensets”
Sounds like a hillbilly hybrid
Re: An honest eval from an EV owner 1 year in
[Re: 360view]
#3142632 05/05/2307:09 AM05/05/2307:09 AM
Yesterday afternoon, Ford reported a $722 million loss on its EV business over the first three months of 2023. During that span, Ford sold 10,866 EVs, meaning it lost $66,446 on every EV it sold.
For perspective, Ford lost the equivalent of a brand-new Mercedes-Benz E-class sedan on every EV it sold during the first quarter. (An E 450 4Matic has an MSRP of $66,700.)
It’s also worth noting that at the end of 2022, the average EV transaction price was about $65,000.
Ford blamed much of its first-quarter EV loss on lower production due to shutdowns at its plants in Mexico and Dearborn as it aims to boost its EV production to a run rate of 210,000 vehicles by the end of 2023.
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Re: An honest eval from an EV owner 1 year in
[Re: 360view]
#3142808 05/06/2311:25 AM05/06/2311:25 AM
Yesterday afternoon, Ford reported a $722 million loss on its EV business over the first three months of 2023. During that span, Ford sold 10,866 EVs, meaning it lost $66,446 on every EV it sold.
For perspective, Ford lost the equivalent of a brand-new Mercedes-Benz E-class sedan on every EV it sold during the first quarter. (An E 450 4Matic has an MSRP of $66,700.)
It’s also worth noting that at the end of 2022, the average EV transaction price was about $65,000.
Ford blamed much of its first-quarter EV loss on lower production due to shutdowns at its plants in Mexico and Dearborn as it aims to boost its EV production to a run rate of 210,000 vehicles by the end of 2023.
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Just another example of ideology not requiring facts to not only survive, but thrive.
"We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".
Re: An honest eval from an EV owner 1 year in
[Re: 360view]
#3142866 05/06/2305:30 PM05/06/2305:30 PM
Yesterday afternoon, Ford reported a $722 million loss on its EV business over the first three months of 2023. During that span, Ford sold 10,866 EVs, meaning it lost $66,446 on every EV it sold.
For perspective, Ford lost the equivalent of a brand-new Mercedes-Benz E-class sedan on every EV it sold during the first quarter. (An E 450 4Matic has an MSRP of $66,700.)
It’s also worth noting that at the end of 2022, the average EV transaction price was about $65,000.
Ford blamed much of its first-quarter EV loss on lower production due to shutdowns at its plants in Mexico and Dearborn as it aims to boost its EV production to a run rate of 210,000 vehicles by the end of 2023.
end quote
They'll make it up in volume....LOL
Never, ever argue with an IDIOT. They will drag you to their level and then beat you with their years of experience