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B body power steering effort left to right #3109479
01/06/23 04:54 PM
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Just replaced the power steerring box in my 66 Satelite.
Was primarily for a leak. but also partly due to how it drove . It seemed to dart around a bit on crappy roads

Just drove it and noticed drives a little better but has a noticable difference in the assist in required effort from left to right . I dont remember if it had this before or not

Turns left super easy,,,, but requires a good bit more effort to turn to the right . Not manual steering effort but definitely more than the opposite direction

Jacked it up think I had a valve off center .
But started it up and steering wheel stays rock solid in the center while up, I turned the steering wheel and I can notice an effort difference even while jacked up in the air with both front wheels hanging

Re: B body power steering effort left to right [Re: gtx6970] #3109577
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My brother's Malibu has a similar issue, turns out one of the power steering hoses had a kink in the hard line. Not sure why it only showed up in one direction, but it did.

Re: B body power steering effort left to right [Re: gtx6970] #3109613
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Could be a bunch of things so go thru the checklist. Binding somewhere, hitting something, interference, something bent or busted, problem inside the box, suspension issue, ball joint issue, etc.

Re: B body power steering effort left to right [Re: AndyF] #3109665
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Effort should of course be the same turning in either direction.
I'll assume you've bled the system, as you said the steering wheel stays straight when running with wheels in the air.
If it changed with the box, that would seem to pinpoint the area of the problem.
As far as being darty, I'd expect that to be an alignment or even a tire problem, if not a rutted road.
If one or more of the bushings has deteriorated, the steering and/or suspension settings are moving as you encounter variances in the road surface, right ?
I've also had that happen with square-shouldered radial or bias-ply tires on rutted road surfaces.

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Yes. Its been a while since ive driven this car.
But don't remember this issue before. Just the darting around like something binding in steering. Car didnt want to return to center atfter making turns on its own.
Main reason replaced the box was leak...and this darting around.
And making adjustments to the box made zero difference or made it worst.

Entire front suspension is supposed to be new...like under 5000 miles..
I bought this car as is ( its my yellow one) But plan to take it to work and ck it out on the lift.
Ill look thru paper work and see if alignment sheet was printed out.

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Re: B body power steering effort left to right [Re: gtx6970] #3109852
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GTX, there is a valve at the top of the box where the pressure line attaches. It’s a plate with two mounting bolts. If you loosen the plate bolts the plate can slide a bit…which makes a BIG difference in how the steering pulls one way or the other.
You adjust this with the wheels hanging in the air, engine idling. Many people don’t know about that adjustment.

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Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
GTX, there is a valve at the top of the box where the pressure line attaches. It’s a plate with two mounting bolts. If you loosen the plate bolts the plate can slide a bit…which makes a BIG difference in how the steering pulls one way or the other.
You adjust this with the wheels hanging in the air, engine idling. Many people don’t know about that adjustment.


Im familiar with the adjustment you mention.

Ive had the front in the air and running. ...it doesn't turn .

Nor does it pull driving down the road

Re: B body power steering effort left to right [Re: gtx6970] #3129834
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Watch the steering wheel when you start the engine, if it moves even slightly that valve needs to be adjusted.

Re: B body power steering effort left to right [Re: MO_PA] #3130460
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Originally Posted by MO_PA
Watch the steering wheel when you start the engine, if it moves even slightly that valve needs to be adjusted.
iagree scope wrench up


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Re: B body power steering effort left to right [Re: Cab_Burge] #3130859
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When adjusting that valve body (on top of the gear box), I highly recommend not just having the front wheels off the ground, but to have the front wheels removed from the spindles. You want as little friction (weight) as possible so to assure the power assist of the left-right-left-right action is at a minimum of the gear box.... IF you wanted to go a slightly different and better route, you could alternatively disconnect the Pitman Arm from the steering link cross-arm (letting that hang)... again, reducing all possible friction from the gear box. That's how I've done it in the past... best results!

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Re: B body power steering effort left to right [Re: Mopar Mitch] #3141383
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Mitch,
When adjusting that steering control valve, you can only move it forward or rearward in a tiny increment (.02 inch) max.
It is tuff to adjust and know where your at.
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Re: B body power steering effort left to right [Re: captaindodge] #3142065
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I don't recall how much movement there actually is, but I'd think there is more than 0.02"... perhaps maybe 1/16" for and aft?


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Re: B body power steering effort left to right [Re: Mopar Mitch] #3142654
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Mitch,
You are right on the money with 1/16 inch because the bolt is 5/16 and clearance hole is 7/16.
I just discovered that with both front wheels raised off the ground and I start the engine the steering wheel
rotates counter clockwise about a quarter inch. And when I turn the engine off, the steering wheel
rotates clockwise a quarter inch to end up in the original spot. Does this seem correct?

P.S. I am using the TUFF steering wheel. Thanks for your input.

Re: B body power steering effort left to right [Re: captaindodge] #3142707
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Sounds a little confusing... when the engine turns off... there shouldn't be any further assist in either direction.


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Re: B body power steering effort left to right [Re: Mopar Mitch] #3142738
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Otoh, there shouldn't be any movement when he start the engine.

This might be a 2 angle problem.

One, incorrect adjustment of the centering valve. Explains the movement of the steering wheel engine running or not

Two, might be excessive friction in steering joints. For example a frozen tie rod end. Or, my hunch, too much preload on the sector shaft.

A bit of work but, what happens if you drop the pitman arm? Does the steering turn by itself if you start the engine?


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Mr. Runner,
I thank you for your interesting input. I think I neglected to expel all the air from the control valve by
turning the steering wheel several to times full left and right. Also I am running the long pitman arm.

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Air in one or the other chamber is a possibility.

The long pitman should affect both directions equally.


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Re: B body power steering effort left to right [Re: captaindodge] #3143399
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Hopefully, along with the "long Pitman arm"... you are also using the long Idler arm... simply a ~1970 C-Body (Fury) idler arm. Sellers often refer to this as the "fast ratio IDLER ARM"... its simply a longer idler arm that should've been factory installed on the E-bodies having optional "Fast Ratio" power steering which comes with the longer "FAST RATIO PITMAN ARM". IF only the longer Pitman arm is used, then the turning radius is different Left vs Right... it was a factory mistake/oversight on those E-bodies with the optional Fast Ratio power steering. No company (Firm Feel, Hotchkis, PST, others, etc) ever developed a "Fast Ratio IDLER ARM"... it has always been and always will be simply a ~1970 C-Body (Fury) idler arm.


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Re: B body power steering effort left to right [Re: Mopar Mitch] #3143655
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they also give delphi #TA593 and centric #62063005, but list those numbers as out of stock.
these parts may be available elsewhere, but i didn't check. [these are the 1970 C-body idler that Mitch mentioned above]
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