1966 Chry 300 383 4bbl: Good engine to rebuild?
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Good evening everyone My Cuda currently has a 1969 383 engine in it. Unfortunately it is suffering from crankwalk. I can get from a buddy a nice running and very untouched 383 4 barrel engine from 1966 Chrysler 300. The car is very original and has records of religious oil changes.
I have a few questions: 1. Is this 383 from the 300 what was considered the HP of the time? It's a factory 4 barrel and has dual exhaust. Would this engine be the 10:1 compression engine? 2. I wanna keep it a mild rebuild, what would you do to the engine since it's a sweet runner and is clean? 3. My Cuda has a standard clutch, nothing stiff and is pretty easy to push in. Other then change driving habits when pulling up to stop lights, what can I do internally in the engine to keep crank walk from happening?
Any help is greatly appreciated
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Re: 1966 Chry 300 383 4bbl: Good engine to rebuild?
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The heads on that engine are more than likely 516's small valves and the flow isn't that great, 906's have the same basic port shape and bigger exh valves, they are hardly the best flowing stock BB wedge heads ... stock they barely flow 220cfm , 340 X heads are about the same or better ...
As someone said your crank walk issue is related to pushing the clutch in while starting the engine, for now I'd drop the pan and put a fresh thrust bearing in it, as long as the crank thrust surface isn't all chewed up that will buy you some time .
The 66 383 4 barrel is rated at I believe 300HP. it might be 10.0 , but Chrysler was notorious for over stating compression ratio , it's probably closer to 9.0
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Re: 1966 Chry 300 383 4bbl: Good engine to rebuild?
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the first thing i would ask, is what are your driving habits, and what are you truly looking for in an engine ? if you just want a sweet cruiser, and the engine from the chrysler runs as you have described, i would just re-gasket and replace the core plugs, do what is needed to address using your transmission, install your intake and exhaust manifolds, then install and run it. that would amount to the shortest down time, and you would once again be enjoying your car. if you want something else out of the engine combo, the above may still be the quick answer, allowing you to search out other options, while still having fun. or be like me. let car sit while working on other's cars and collecting parts for mine. get health issues preventing me from working on my car while still working on other's rides, get old, and wonder why i'm not beating on my car.
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Re: 1966 Chry 300 383 4bbl: Good engine to rebuild?
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So with my car I am just looking for a cruiser and something that can take some beating on it. I'm not looking to burn the world down with it.
The car has a 23 spline and 8 3/4 4:10
The engine that is in it is a 1969 383 out of a Fury from a previous engine. It was a 2 bbl engine and was unknown . When I pulled the pan last time it was out, there was a ton of trash in the pan.
I figured the 1966 300 engine would be good because it was a factory 4bbl engine and factory dual exhaust. I have been reading that that engine was a 320 hp engine and has closed camber heads. I have a set of 67 440 heads (I forget the number) that I was thinking of throwing on there. I wasn't going to just slam it in, I wanted to do a very basic rebuild with a 440hp cam. I figured with its high level of maintenance there is a higher chance of the internals being good and reusable.
I really appreciate the advise and guidance. I really don't want the car down waiting for the block holding down the machine shop floor.
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Re: 1966 Chry 300 383 4bbl: Good engine to rebuild?
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If I was going to rebuild a choice between a '66 and a '69 383, I'd go with the better-performing '69. One could use the better parts from the '69 on the '66 short block, though. the only difference are the pistons ... taller CH that would actually work better with the closed chamber head .... and the heads ...a little better flowing ... and the intake with the bigger carb base pattern . When doing a rebuild all those parts get tossed usually.
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Re: 1966 Chry 300 383 4bbl: Good engine to rebuild?
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So with my car I am just looking for a cruiser and something that can take some beating on it. I'm not looking to burn the world down with it.
The car has a 23 spline and 8 3/4 4:10
The engine that is in it is a 1969 383 out of a Fury from a previous engine. It was a 2 bbl engine and was unknown . When I pulled the pan last time it was out, there was a ton of trash in the pan.
I figured the 1966 300 engine would be good because it was a factory 4bbl engine and factory dual exhaust. I have been reading that that engine was a 320 hp engine and has closed camber heads. I have a set of 67 440 heads (I forget the number) that I was thinking of throwing on there. I wasn't going to just slam it in, I wanted to do a very basic rebuild with a 440hp cam. I figured with its high level of maintenance there is a higher chance of the internals being good and reusable.
I really appreciate the advise and guidance. I really don't want the car down waiting for the block holding down the machine shop floor. With this in mind if the 67 head is a 915 then it has the same port design as the 906 with the plus of the closed chamber, even if it is the NON HP version with the smaller 1.60 ex valve but that is an easy change to the larger valve during the rebuild. Make sure you use a steel shim gasket or you'll be lowering the compression ratio. Get something better than the stock 440HP cam , it doesn't make sense to not take advantage of modern cam technology. Contact Dwanye Porter ... fast68plymouth ... for a cam . Your 69 383-2 bbl engine was advertised at 9.2 compression, more like 8.0ish as delivered.
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Re: 1966 Chry 300 383 4bbl: Good engine to rebuild?
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the first thing i would ask, is what are your driving habits, and what are you truly looking for in an engine ? if you just want a sweet cruiser, and the engine from the chrysler runs as you have described, i would just re-gasket and replace the core plugs, do what is needed to address using your transmission, install your intake and exhaust manifolds, then install and run it. that would amount to the shortest down time, and you would once again be enjoying your car. if you want something else out of the engine combo, the above may still be the quick answer, allowing you to search out other options, while still having fun. or be like me. let car sit while working on other's cars and collecting parts for mine. get health issues preventing me from working on my car while still working on other's rides, get old, and wonder why i'm not beating on my car. I second this suggestion. The motor is sound and healthy. I would re seal anything that is designed to contain coolant and oil. Normally I'd suggested a little hotter cam but in this day and age where new Hyd flat tappets kits are a huge liability id say no. Id reseal the 383, better intake manifold (even if that means like a better newer iron unit) and some sensible sized headers/dual exhaust and ENJOY. Now you can take your time and build your more serious powerplant.
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Re: 1966 Chry 300 383 4bbl: Good engine to rebuild?
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This motor may not be drilled for a pilot bushing. So if you have a 4 speed that is going to be an issue. I agree
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Re: 1966 Chry 300 383 4bbl: Good engine to rebuild?
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If I was going to rebuild a choice between a '66 and a '69 383, I'd go with the better-performing '69. One could use the better parts from the '69 on the '66 short block, though. the only difference are the pistons ... taller CH that would actually work better with the closed chamber head .... and the heads ...a little better flowing ... and the intake with the bigger carb base pattern . When doing a rebuild all those parts get tossed usually. The intake manifold and carb are a lot better flowing and make more power on the 1968 to 1971 383 HP than the 1966 383 320 Hp do, a lot more. You have to drive two of those cars with the different motor sin them to see what I'm talking about a slong a syout =r comparing A,B or C body cars with the 320 and 330 or 335 HP motors in them ITHS
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Re: 1966 Chry 300 383 4bbl: Good engine to rebuild?
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I dropped my new EQ Magnum typeheads off at the machine shop yesterday 3-17. The owner was telling me how simple items for a customers 440 are hard to find nd expensive when he finds them. He said Chevy LS parts-lifters are suffering from an availability problem. My point is run the 383 as is because this supply chain issue BS may not correct itself. People don't want to work. This means no one to make the parts. The parts available are of suspect quality. Even some of the places that make and sell our beloved go fast goodies have simply stopped offering/producing/selling the stuff. So run that old 383!
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