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Re: 1966 Chry 300 383 4bbl: Good engine to rebuild? [Re: Moparite] #3130320
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if i remember correctly, the seats were induction hardened. replaceable seats as we know today, came much later.
beer

Re: 1966 Chry 300 383 4bbl: Good engine to rebuild? [Re: moparx] #3130443
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Originally Posted by moparx
if i remember correctly, the seats were induction hardened. replaceable seats as we know today, came much later.
beer


Exactly , Mopar didn't put hard inserts in.


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Re: 1966 Chry 300 383 4bbl: Good engine to rebuild? [Re: Moparite] #3130444
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Originally Posted by Moparite
If you plan on using a stock head make sure it has hardened valve seats! Running unleaded (today's) gas will do this to the head.(ask me how i know)
[Linked Image]

Depending on the casting/year you can tell if they have hardened seats or not. I believe most heads past 73 had them but don't quote on it.


What is that a head for ?


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Re: 1966 Chry 300 383 4bbl: Good engine to rebuild? [Re: JohnRR] #3130466
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Originally Posted by JohnRR
Originally Posted by moparx
if i remember correctly, the seats were induction hardened. replaceable seats as we know today, came much later.
beer


Exactly , Mopar didn't put hard inserts in.


I have kept my eye out for something published about why
the 1992+ Magnum cylinder heads have small shallow cracks between intake and exhaust seats.

My gut is inclined toward:
Engineering specified iron alloy content, induction hardening conditions, and tempering process time.
One or more of those details was not followed during production.
I guess tempering time was not long enough due to “Get it out the door”

Re: 1966 Chry 300 383 4bbl: Good engine to rebuild? [Re: 360view] #3130520
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Does the current engine suit your purpose except for the crank endplay? If yes, drop the pan and pull the thrust bearing. If the bearing is worn and the crank isn't, roll in a new set and replace the rod bearings while you're in there. Cheap insurance going forward. No matter what happens, it won't have a bearing related hole in the side of it.

Kevin

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Re: 1966 Chry 300 383 4bbl: Good engine to rebuild? [Re: Twostick] #3130552
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just a side note on valve recession using unleaded gas with cylinder heads not having hardened seats.
i have seen quite a few over the years after tear down that looked remarkably good. these came from engines that were driven reasonably normal, and not beat on every time out.
i have also seen heads from engines that were beat on frequently, and the seat areas weren't as bad as i thought they should be.
with that said, several times over the years it has been suggested mopar used a better grade of cast iron than ford or gm, and that explains why the seats weren't pounded out like i expected they should be.
how true any of this is, who knows ? shruggy
i have seen beat seats and junk guides as well. just my life experiences playing with this brand.
your mileage will vary.
beer

Re: 1966 Chry 300 383 4bbl: Good engine to rebuild? [Re: moparx] #3130778
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Originally Posted by moparx
just a side note on valve recession using unleaded gas with cylinder heads not having hardened seats.
i have seen quite a few over the years after tear down that looked remarkably good. these came from engines that were driven reasonably normal, and not beat on every time out.
i have also seen heads from engines that were beat on frequently, and the seat areas weren't as bad as i thought they should be.
with that said, several times over the years it has been suggested mopar used a better grade of cast iron than ford or gm, and that explains why the seats weren't pounded out like i expected they should be.
how true any of this is, who knows ? shruggy
i have seen beat seats and junk guides as well. just my life experiences playing with this brand.
your mileage will vary.
beerever


Also- load is what quickly kills exhaust valve seats. Thus towing vehicles and marine. Always under a load that a passenger car may never experience.


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Re: 1966 Chry 300 383 4bbl: Good engine to rebuild? [Re: 2boltmain] #3130889
03/20/23 02:39 PM
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so very, very true about load. plus, i never thought about, or even considered, marine use.
upper rpm use for long periods of time is tougher on engines than an occasional stop light blast or two.
thanks for bring this up. up
beer

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