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Re: I kind of like this Indy cross ram [Re: OriginalRT] #31218 09/28/06 10:01 AM 09/28/06 10:01 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,506 Warren, MI 71TA I Live Here
71TA I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,506 Warren, MI	Is that on your 505"? Is your 505" a B or RB? Mag quality pictures there Andy! Did you see the post of mine about the pictures on the Challenger Ebay add. There were a couple iso view motor shots that were good enuff to frame. My son borrowed the iso view of the Challenger script and bumble bee stripe on the decklid and used it for his desktop wallpaper. It ROCKS! Sorry of the O/T. PS The 470 is still raisin heck on metro Detroit streets. Might go to a roller (hyd? solid?) cam next year and EFI. Right now though the carb is DIALED in. Starts and runs GREAT after buying that LM1. www.DetroitMuscleTechnologies.com Mopar body and heater box restoration gaskets

Re: I kind of like this Indy cross ram [Re: 71TA] #31219 09/28/06 11:31 AM 09/28/06 11:31 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,328 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,328 Oregon	Hey Jim, nice to see you wander thru the race board. The 505 motor is an RB block. 0.030 over on the bore with a 4.250 stroke in it. I'm strapping it on the dyno today to see just what happens with these different manifolds. Good news on that 470. I'll most likely sell this 505 when I'm done with the dyno testing. Hopefully it finds as good of a home as that 470 did. The LM1 is one of the greatest tuning tools ever. One of my next projects is to use the LM1 on my car and see if I can actually dial in a Holley Dominator so that it works on the street. I'm not sure if I can get it to a point where it drives super nice but I figured it would be a fun thing to mess with.

Re: I kind of like this Indy cross ram [Re: AndyF] #31220 09/29/06 08:10 AM 09/29/06 08:10 AM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,843 Maryland O OriginalRT top fuel
OriginalRT top fuel O Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,843 Maryland	Quote: The 505 motor is an RB block. 0.030 over on the bore with a 4.250 stroke in it. I'm strapping it on the dyno today to see just what happens with these different manifolds. AND ...... How did it go?

Re: I kind of like this Indy cross ram [Re: OriginalRT] #31221 09/29/06 09:49 AM 09/29/06 09:49 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,386 A gulag near you. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,386 A gulag near you.	Quote: Quote: The 505 motor is an RB block. 0.030 over on the bore with a 4.250 stroke in it. I'm strapping it on the dyno today to see just what happens with these different manifolds. AND ...... How did it go? i think we'll have to wait for it to hit the newsstand ???

Re: I kind of like this Indy cross ram [Re: JohnRR] #31222 09/29/06 09:56 AM 09/29/06 09:56 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,361 Aurora, Oh. M max_maniac master
max_maniac master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,361 Aurora, Oh.	Quote: Quote: Quote: The 505 motor is an RB block. 0.030 over on the bore with a 4.250 stroke in it. I'm strapping it on the dyno today to see just what happens with these different manifolds. AND ...... How did it go? i think we'll have to wait for it to hit the newsstand ??? NOT --- he can PM me the rusults between the Iny and Mopar cross ram

Re: I kind of like this Indy cross ram [Re: max_maniac] #31223 09/29/06 08:47 PM 09/29/06 08:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,328 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,328 Oregon	We're not finished yet but I can safely say that the Indy cross ram picked up a ton of power over the MP cross ram. At least 75 hp increase, maybe more. We need to do some more tuning and I need to stare at the dyno sheets for a bit to understand just what all we saw today. The really interesting thing to me was that the cross ram ran just fine with out of the box jetting on the Eddy carbs. There was a little variation from cylinder to cylinder but not bad. The Indy ram wanted the carbs to be jetted up a bit. I went up 3 sizes and that wasn't enough. Probably need to go up another 3 or 4 jets sizes to get it into the ballpark. And it needs some cross jetting to be really dialed in but I don't think we'll spend the time doing that. 2957158-dynoindyram.jpg (330 downloads) Last edited by AndyF; 09/29/06 08:48 PM.

Re: I kind of like this Indy cross ram [Re: AndyF] #31224 09/29/06 08:56 PM 09/29/06 08:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,328 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,328 Oregon	Here is a shot of the MP cross ram on the dyno. It makes a bunch of torque and it sure sounds brutal. This would be wicked fun in an early B body street/strip car. 2957175-dynocrossram.jpg (331 downloads) Last edited by AndyF; 09/29/06 08:57 PM.

Re: I kind of like this Indy cross ram [Re: AndyF] #31225 09/29/06 10:06 PM 09/29/06 10:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,575 So. Burlington, Vt. F fast68plymouth I Live Here
fast68plymouth I Live Here F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,575 So. Burlington, Vt.	Quote: To answer the earlier questions this manifold is MW port size and it only fits Indy heads on a RB block. actually....its supposed to fit the OE type MW heads on an RB block, and seals the valley just like the OE intake when used in that manner. where did the MP/OE X-ram run out of steam on your 505?? 68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads

Re: I kind of like this Indy cross ram [Re: AndyF] #31226 09/29/06 10:11 PM 09/29/06 10:11 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,145 Arizona, USA gsmopar super stock
gsmopar super stock Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,145 Arizona, USA	75hp????? Peak or under the curve?

Re: I kind of like this Indy cross ram [Re: fast68plymouth] #31227 09/29/06 11:53 PM 09/29/06 11:53 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,328 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,328 Oregon	No way does the Indy cross ram seal off the valley. I don't see any way to use this with factory MW heads since they don't work with valley plates unless they are welded up on the bottom edge. If someone has a picture of the Indy cross ram mounted on stock MW heads I'd love to see how they did it. 2957485-IndyRamFront.jpg (888 downloads) Last edited by AndyF; 09/29/06 11:54 PM.

Re: I kind of like this Indy cross ram [Re: AndyF] #31228 09/30/06 09:02 AM 09/30/06 09:02 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,296 Chicago, IL TonyS451 master
TonyS451 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,296 Chicago, IL	I am shocked to hear you picked up 75 HP from the Indy over the MP xram. ( Maybe even a little sadenned ). Anxiously awaiting the raw data... 2 kids and a dog

Re: I kind of like this Indy cross ram [Re: TonyS451] #31229 09/30/06 09:30 AM 09/30/06 09:30 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Once you figure out all that is needed to get power out of stock type cast manifolds, step up and look at what is state of the art in air flow and power in manifolds. http://www.hogansracingmanifolds.com/ Look at Tims' cross rams.......... $ for $ excellent return on investement.... and the bolt holes line up....

Re: I kind of like this Indy cross ram [Re: AndyF] #31230 09/30/06 06:28 PM 09/30/06 06:28 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 236 Augusta, GA Lightning enthusiast
Lightning enthusiast Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 236 Augusta, GA	Quote: Here is a shot of the MP cross ram on the dyno. It makes a bunch of torque and it sure sounds brutal. This would be wicked fun in an early B body street/strip car. that things looks so badass....

Re: I kind of like this Indy cross ram [Re: AndyF] #31231 09/30/06 06:32 PM 09/30/06 06:32 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,867 North of Detroit HemiDart68 master
HemiDart68 master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,867 North of Detroit	a friend also a member here, RatPatrol fabbed up pieces that were welded to the indy crossram to seal it on the block. He used edelbrock heads. Last edited by HemiDart68; 09/30/06 06:39 PM. In God we trust, all others pay cash. www.lightnens.com (Home of the world's fastest Paint Job)

Re: I kind of like this Indy cross ram [Re: AndyF] #31232 09/30/06 07:47 PM 09/30/06 07:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,070 S.E. Michigan ZIPPY I Live Here
ZIPPY I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,070 S.E. Michigan	Quote: it sure sounds brutal. Did it get the HOWL on? Hope so It's going to be cool to see how the modern single plane intakes match up. I made some harebrained predictions via PM and am anxious to find out how completely wrong they were Rich H. Esse Quam Videri

Re: I kind of like this Indy cross ram [Re: ZIPPY] #31233 09/30/06 08:18 PM 09/30/06 08:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,192 Bridgeport, WV M Michael master
Michael master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,192 Bridgeport, WV	I remember 3 or 4 years ago when Indy came out with that manifold, a friend of mine installed that intake on his Max Wedge and picked up over a half a second over the OEM cross-ram. That manifold will make power!

Re: I kind of like this Indy cross ram [Re: AndyF] #31234 09/30/06 08:25 PM 09/30/06 08:25 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,620 long island NY A Ari440 master
Ari440 master A Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,620 long island NY	Quote: Here it is with the 4150 inline top in place. I'm thinking I'll call up Ken and see if he'll send me a 6 pack top. Might have to wait until next month though since the VISA card is still smoking a little bit from the last round of parts buying. do they make a throttle bracket or linkage to mount two 750,s holley carbs on or do you have to rig something up ? 1.39 9.85 - 137 mph

Re: I kind of like this Indy cross ram [Re: AndyF] #31235 09/30/06 09:47 PM 09/30/06 09:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,575 So. Burlington, Vt. F fast68plymouth I Live Here
fast68plymouth I Live Here F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,575 So. Burlington, Vt.	Quote: No way does the Indy cross ram seal off the valley. I don't see any way to use this with factory MW heads since they don't work with valley plates unless they are welded up on the bottom edge. If someone has a picture of the Indy cross ram mounted on stock MW heads I'd love to see how they did it. i can see from that pic that that intake isnt going to seal the valley.....but i know of someone who had one on a motor with stock MW heads. i guess i foolishly assumed it would seal the valley like the OE intake. also, IIRC....i think Moparts member Whompin Wedge is using that intake on an RB block with some MW ported 906's. 68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads

Re: I kind of like this Indy cross ram [Re: Ari440] #31236 09/30/06 10:42 PM 09/30/06 10:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,328 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,328 Oregon	Indy doesn't provide any help with linkages but I have the capability of making my own. I'll have a kit available for sale shortly although I doubt I'll sell very many. I don't think there are a lot of people who run this manifold at the moment. If you look at the picture above you can see the fuel lines and the throttle linkage setup that I put together for the dyno. For the street the throttle would come in from the rear and there would be a bracket back there to hold the throttle cable. Last edited by AndyF; 09/30/06 10:44 PM.

Re: I kind of like this Indy cross ram [Re: ZIPPY] #31237 09/30/06 11:07 PM 09/30/06 11:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,328 Oregon A AndyF OP I Win
AndyF OP I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,328 Oregon	The Indy 440-3 intake did pretty well. We just made one pull on it though and then ran out of time. We'll be at it again on Monday. The Dominator was super rich right out of the box so we'll have to take some jet out of it. I wouldn't be surprised if the single Dominator makes more power than the Indy ram intake when it is all over. 2959346-dynoindy.jpg (341 downloads) Last edited by AndyF; 09/30/06 11:07 PM.

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