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Re: Radiator cooling efficiency [Re: moparx] #3119438
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Originally Posted by moparx
those "flow kooler" water pumps are the ones with the "circular" vanes about 1/4" or so high, on a cast circle base ?
i always like to overdrive the pump some, but is there such a thing as being overdriven too much ? there are only so many pulleys to choose from.
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The thermostat serves another purpose, and that is to regulate the flow rate. Removing it will cause overheating but can help compensate for a crudded up radiator. Pushing the coolant through a good radiator too fast can also cause O/ heating as the coolant may not have enough time to exchange the heat. So I would say yes. remeber you are dealing with several variables. Flow rate, pressure driving the flow, pressure in the system, size of the radiator, air flow through the core, Ambient temps, BTU's being generated, and the the infamous core debate itself. Probably a few others as well but that's a kwik list twocents beer

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[quote=fourgearsavoy]Things I have learned about performance engines and cooling systems are you need a lot of coolant flow and good clean airflow over the largest rad you can fit in the core support. I drive a Flowkooler pump 1-1 with the crank and an ECP 26" aluminum radiator with great results. https://speedcooling.com/product-category/radiators/mopar-radiators/page/2/

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But myself I have seen no change with the flow kooler or other similar pumps testing under as close to laboratory conditions as I could get and measuring with thermocouples and digital meters (laboratory grade again) shruggy beer [/quoteI

I had an issue with scale clogging my rad over and over so I installed a filter in the upper hose and I could actually see the flow difference between the factory pump and a Flowkooler pump. The filter was a good tool to catch the scale from my block. I ended up filling it 3 times now it stays clean.

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Originally Posted by TJP
Originally Posted by moparx
those "flow kooler" water pumps are the ones with the "circular" vanes about 1/4" or so high, on a cast circle base ?
i always like to overdrive the pump some, but is there such a thing as being overdriven too much ? there are only so many pulleys to choose from.
beer

The thermostat serves another purpose, and that is to regulate the flow rate. Removing it will cause overheating but can help compensate for a crudded up radiator. Pushing the coolant through a good radiator too fast can also cause O/ heating as the coolant may not have enough time to exchange the heat. So I would say yes. remeber you are dealing with several variables. Flow rate, pressure driving the flow, pressure in the system, size of the radiator, air flow through the core, Ambient temps, BTU's being generated, and the the infamous core debate itself. Probably a few others as well but that's a kwik list twocents beer


The "coolant too fast" theory has been debunked dozens of times. Increased flow rate leads to turbulence, and turbulence within a pipe/tube encourages mixing (better contact with the walls to remove heat) and enhances heat transfer performance all the way to the point of physical tube erosion from the fluid velocity being too fast for the material. There have been some potential claimed issues with pumps cavitating, but that has nothing to do with coolant moving too fast in the radiator.

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still wondering about those flow cooler pumps, are they the ones with the "circular" vanes about 1/4" tall on a cast round base ?
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Originally Posted by moparx
those "flow kooler" water pumps are the ones with the "circular" vanes about 1/4" or so high, on a cast circle base ?
i always like to overdrive the pump some, but is there such a thing as being overdriven too much ? there are only so many pulleys to choose from.
beer

The thermostat serves another purpose, and that is to regulate the flow rate. Removing it will cause overheating but can help compensate for a crudded up radiator. Pushing the coolant through a good radiator too fast can also cause O/ heating as the coolant may not have enough time to exchange the heat. So I would say yes. remeber you are dealing with several variables. Flow rate, pressure driving the flow, pressure in the system, size of the radiator, air flow through the core, Ambient temps, BTU's being generated, and the the infamous core debate itself. Probably a few others as well but that's a kwik list twocents beer


The "coolant too fast" theory has been debunked dozens of times. Increased flow rate leads to turbulence, and turbulence within a pipe/tube encourages mixing (better contact with the walls to remove heat) and enhances heat transfer performance all the way to the point of physical tube erosion from the fluid velocity being too fast for the material. There have been some potential claimed issues with pumps cavitating, but that has nothing to do with coolant moving too fast in the radiator.


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Re: Radiator cooling efficiency [Re: moparx] #3119764
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The originals had a flat plate on the engine side of the vanes. there were "KITS" with a plate and pop rivets available for awhile.

I consider them to be right up the with Slick 50. I was taught to ask if and idea is so good, are the major MFR's adopting it? Think of the warranty savings whistling twocents beer

Re: Radiator cooling efficiency [Re: moparx] #3119891
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Originally Posted by moparx
still wondering about those flow cooler pumps, are they the ones with the "circular" vanes about 1/4" tall on a cast round base ?
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This is the one I use

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Re: Radiator cooling efficiency [Re: fourgearsavoy] #3119907
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I'm assuming the OP is looking for a "new" radiator. Not sure if the old one needs replaced or just not doing the job. I once had an issue with overheating myself, but it was narrowed down to timing. One the timing issue was corrected, the overheating went away. I should add that the overheating was only at idle or very low RPM

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Originally Posted by fourgearsavoy
Originally Posted by moparx
still wondering about those flow cooler pumps, are they the ones with the "circular" vanes about 1/4" tall on a cast round base ?
beer


This is the one I use





thanks. up
the one i'm thinking about might be the milodon pump. [i have not used the google to look, so i guess i need to]
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Re: Radiator cooling efficiency [Re: moparx] #3120028
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I bought a Milodon HV water pump at Summit and opened it up at the counter and there was a GMB pump in the box down Gave it back and they brought me the FlowKooler pump up

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Re: Radiator cooling efficiency [Re: TJP] #3120116
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Originally Posted by TJP
Originally Posted by 71birdJ68
Chrysler made millions of cars back then that didn't have any trouble with cooling. Do you have a factory 7 blade fan and the correct water pump and is it a factory shroud? What is the engine tune like? Glen Ray uses cooling tubes which are similar to what big truck use, that is one reason they cost more. Bob is the best in the business.


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So what's the difference? The efficiency of the majority of today's replacement cores. They are not ALL created equal as the bean counters and "improved" manufacturing processes over the years have slowly degraded the efficiency in the chase of profit.
While discussing 1-2-3-4 rows there are several other variables, IE: tube thickness. the number of fins per inch, the thickness of those fins, louvered fins, staggering the rows, the methods used to manufacture the cores. All of these and a few more affect the efficiency. beer


This is a completely accurate and more detailed response than mine... there is more than just adding the inches....like dimpled tubes and these things mentioned. Somebody else mentioned air flow, which is also important. You need coolant flow and air flow to cool the engine


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Re: Radiator cooling efficiency [Re: PurpleBeeper] #3120198
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Yes. Being the original poster, I was wanting to replace the rotted out 26", 3 row radiator in my project car. It is a slightly modified, cruiser street 440 with air conditioning possibly in the future. My biggest concern was just having enough cooling for now with an all aluminum unit, plus any future plans I have for the car.

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I have a 22" 3 core champion on my 600hp hemi and it cools great.

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[size:11pt][/size] Well this will not be the first time, and absolutely not the last, that I over think something. About half of the cars we run around with, can go for hour and a half to two hour cruises to a show, but won't last 20 minutes in a parade.

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A 4th of July parade will certainly test a cooling system, especially if your behind the HS band with the AC running, and the car was running with the AC cranked up, while you were waiting for them to set up the parade to get started.

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Originally Posted by Ramman
[size:11pt][/size] Well this will not be the first time, and absolutely not the last, that I over think something. About half of the cars we run around with, can go for hour and a half to two hour cruises to a show, but won't last 20 minutes in a parade.

That sir is not a radiator problem, but rather a lack of air flow through the radiator . A bigger radiator may help a bit, but the root cause is air flow, beer popcorn

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Originally Posted by TJP
Originally Posted by Ramman
[size:11pt][/size] Well this will not be the first time, and absolutely not the last, that I over think something. About half of the cars we run around with, can go for hour and a half to two hour cruises to a show, but won't last 20 minutes in a parade.

That sir is not a radiator problem, but rather a lack of air flow through the radiator . A bigger radiator may help a bit, but the root cause is LACK of sufficient air flow, beer popcorn


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Somewhat related to this overall subject, when using an electric fan (puller, 1 or 2 fans), some fan shrouds are solid, while others have small venting slots or flappers around the otherwise solid shroud areas. I'm considering to get an electric fan (1 or 2), that would have a fan shroud. Any preference/suggestion on the design of the shroud? This would be for my aluminum triple-flow US Radiator, 22" wide (fitting my core opening)... runs hot while road racing/autocrossing, but cool in regular street or hwy driving. I've tried different thermostats... no difference when racing.


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A shroud with the flappers would be the better option. When the air flow is low, it will still let the fan pull the air through the entire radiator, and at any point the air flow is higher, the flaps open so the fan can't block any air flow. The best of both worlds.

The OEM fan shroud on my 90 Dakota V6 5 speed had a belt driven fan and the shroud had the flappers. That one was the 1st OEM shroud with the flappers I'd ever seen (not that it was the 1st ever, but just the 1st I'd seen).

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Originally Posted by Mopar Mitch
Somewhat related to this overall subject, when using an electric fan (puller, 1 or 2 fans), some fan shrouds are solid, while others have small venting slots or flappers around the otherwise solid shroud areas. I'm considering to get an electric fan (1 or 2), that would have a fan shroud. Any preference/suggestion on the design of the shroud? This would be for my aluminum triple-flow US Radiator, 22" wide (fitting my core opening)... runs hot while road racing/autocrossing, but cool in regular street or hwy driving. I've tried different thermostats... no difference when racing.


IMO, You have either an inefficient core for the BTU's being generated or an air flow issue. My bet is on the 1st frown .

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