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Re: Can you lengthen a driveshaft? [Re: Sniper] #3106133
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Just note that those slip yoke that used the seal JK mentions have a vent hole on the end.




another tidbit i had forgotten about. [oldtimer's disease strikes again. laugh2]
to the related topic at hand, did i miss just how much length needed to be added to the OP's driveshaft ?
maybe there is a factory shaft for a different application that might work for his needed length ? shruggy
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Re: Can you lengthen a driveshaft? [Re: moparx] #3106287
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I think it's only ~0.5" short
I expect to get my trans back next week. Once I get it put back together I'll have an exact measurement.

Re: Can you lengthen a driveshaft? [Re: BDW] #3106294
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My friend was a master machinist welder.He made many drive shafts for cars and semis.Never thought about trying to lenghten one.Made one for my Jeep from oil well pipe.He would cut off the ends in lathe then weld in new tube.Made one for semi wrecker I knew of for sure.Guy snapped like 3 factory ones.His ran for 5 years and was still good when he sold the truck


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Re: Can you lengthen a driveshaft? [Re: therocks] #3106930
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Got my trans back, it will be awhile before I get it installed, but I think I'm ok.
The 2 main things I have going for me is this 518 yoke is 1.0 - 1.5" longer than most 727 yokes, and there's 1.25" of splined shaft beyond the case end.
The numbers in RED are if the yoke is pulled out an addition 0.5", looks like I still have 3.25" overlap on the splines.

Check my math, hopefully I'm looking at this correctly

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Re: Can you lengthen a driveshaft? [Re: BDW] #3107000
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Originally Posted by BDW
Curious if lengthening a driveshaft is possible?
After my Gen3 swap, engine moved forward, so the yoke engagement is less.
Wasn't optimal before the swap, but now it's even less, probably ~1.5" back from bottoming out.

Wondered what detrimental affect the less yoke engagement might cause?
When in doubt, replace it with a new beef up one with proper length one twocents


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Originally Posted by BDW
Curious if lengthening a driveshaft is possible?
After my Gen3 swap, engine moved forward, so the yoke engagement is less.
Wasn't optimal before the swap, but now it's even less, probably ~1.5" back from bottoming out.

Wondered what detrimental affect the less yoke engagement might cause?


Possible? Yes
Should you do it? No
Agree with Cab and others. Either get a new stronger shaft made or replace the tube in yours. If you break a driveshaft it will cost you way more than a new shaft.


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Re: Can you lengthen a driveshaft? [Re: BDW] #3107028
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I've never viewed it as achieving a minimum spline engagement. I've viewed it as supporting the u-joint as well as possible. That means getting it as close to the bushing as possible without bottoming out. I think 3/4" forward movement at rest is the general rule.

Re: Can you lengthen a driveshaft? [Re: BSB67] #3107060
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Shaft is basically new, got it 8 yrs ago, less than 10k miles on it.
It's a 3.25" DOM seamless with 7290 joints, cost me $400 back then

I don't mind spending money "if needed", but not looking to throw $500-$600 at something if not necessary.
Was hoping someone had experience.
If the trans shaft only has 3" of spline, is there benefit to have the yoke pushed in further.
I know it can't hurt, but can't see how it would help.

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Re: Can you lengthen a driveshaft? [Re: BSB67] #3107116
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Originally Posted by BSB67
I've never viewed it as achieving a minimum spline engagement. I've viewed it as supporting the u-joint as well as possible. That means getting it as close to the bushing as possible without bottoming out. I think 3/4" forward movement at rest is the general rule.


I would rephrase to say as far into the bushing as possible. Why? to limit the leverage by created by the unsupported yoke that may lead to premature wear of the bushing. Agree on the 3/4" or so twocents beer

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Help me out,
What and where is the bushing that will wear?
Isn't the fit and any play or wobble determined by the tolerance of the yoke to the trans output shaft?

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The 727, 904, 833 and all the other Mopar trans that I have seen have a tail shaft bushing at the very rear of the tail shaft housing that the tranny yoke or front tranny ball and trunnion yoke slides into scope
it is there to help stop leaks and for aligning the yoke wrench


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Re: Can you lengthen a driveshaft? [Re: BDW] #3107261
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Originally Posted by BDW
Help me out,
What and where is the bushing that will wear?
Isn't the fit and any play or wobble determined by the tolerance of the yoke to the trans output shaft?

No, as Cab stated it keeps the outside of the yoke inline with the splines on both beer

Re: Can you lengthen a driveshaft? [Re: BDW] #3107268
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Originally Posted by BDW
Help me out,
What and where is the bushing that will wear?


The bushing is at the rear of the extension housing, just in front of the seal. The bushing surface can be bronze or babbitt.

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Re: Can you lengthen a driveshaft? [Re: TJP] #3107289
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Originally Posted by TJP
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I've never viewed it as achieving a minimum spline engagement. I've viewed it as supporting the u-joint as well as possible. That means getting it as close to the bushing as possible without bottoming out. I think 3/4" forward movement at rest is the general rule.


I would rephrase to say as far into the bushing as possible. Why? to limit the leverage by created by the unsupported yoke that may lead to premature wear of the bushing. Agree on the 3/4" or so twocents beer


Okay. I guess I could have been more clear, but we agree. "...That means getting it (i.e. the u-joint) as close to the bushing as possible...."

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Originally Posted by BSB67
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Originally Posted by BSB67
I've never viewed it as achieving a minimum spline engagement. I've viewed it as supporting the u-joint as well as possible. That means getting it as close to the bushing as possible without bottoming out. I think 3/4" forward movement at rest is the general rule.


I would rephrase to say as far into the bushing as possible. Why? to limit the leverage by created by the unsupported yoke that may lead to premature wear of the bushing. Agree on the 3/4" or so twocents beer


Okay. I guess I could have been more clear, but we agree. "...That means getting it (i.e. the u-joint) as close to the bushing as possible...."


I understood exactly what you said but wasn't sure the OP would so I was just make sure the OP did up beer

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Update, got the trans installed and I should be ok.
My measurement matches what the factory indicates, mine has a 1.5" pull back, in a perfect world I'd prefer only 1", but this will have to do.
Yoke has over 4" inside the tail shaft, bushing looks to be only 3" or 4" long, so that's completely covered

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Originally Posted by BDW
Update, got the trans installed and I should be ok.
My measurement matches what the factory indicates, mine has a 1.5" pull back, in a perfect world I'd prefer only 1", but this will have to do.
Yoke has over 5" inside the tail shaft, bushing looks to be only 3" or 4" long, so that's completely covered

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Just make sure that's not one of those Chinese tape measures 🙄, Also did you check the gravitational phase of the moon to earth before taking the measurement as it could be skewed.

OK, Hip waders off, was getting a bit deep there LOL beer

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Originally Posted by TJP
Originally Posted by BDW
Update, got the trans installed and I should be ok.
My measurement matches what the factory indicates, mine has a 1.5" pull back, in a perfect world I'd prefer only 1", but this will have to do.
Yoke has over 5" inside the tail shaft, bushing looks to be only 3" or 4" long, so that's completely covered

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Just make sure that's not one of those Chinese tape measures 🙄, Also did you check the gravitational phase of the moon to earth before taking the measurement as it could be skewed.

OK, Hip waders off, was getting a bit deep there LOL beer



is that measurement picture with, or without, cheater glasses being used for focus ? biggrin
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