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Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here! [Re: sixpakdodge] #309902
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Fair enough. Bring one!

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It's funny how this thread just died after I asked for commitments from racers...

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Oh, I don't think it died---rather guys are assessing their combo, perhaps the value of their cars & how race-worthy their equipment is. also you have guys in the West & Mid-West that simply find an Easctcoast inaugural race too far to tow to. Perhaps I'm being too kind but withthe economy the way it is, I can see towing being an issue & for the guys with genuine old P/S --remember alot of these guys buy 'em for museums or as investments & they're not gonna risk their investment (especially now) for anything.
If my chassis guy had gotten his a$$ in gear I'd have aDart to use in Cat.I.........buuuut

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Well, I have two cars to finish and sort out. The easier, will be the WO car. If one of you rich guys wants to help out, I'll get them both done for nostalgia racing, asap.

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A little bit of a bump...

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And it's appreciated, believe me! But alot of guys , unfortunatly just ain't gonna run a 100-350k car, 30-40 year old car like they were meant to. My guess is you'll see alot of reproductions (not a bad thing) once the class gets going and if they run too quick due to todays technology then you'll have the issue of the guy possibly having to be upgraded and therefore losing it's originality and/or value.
Don't get me wrong---I still LOVE the idea, want to build a car for it ( I love Bobby Yowell's cars) and run in "class I" . But I think that as the class progresses some guys are gonna drop out or sandbag making it kinda tough for the hardcore racers to have a good, fun, competitive field.

Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here! [Re: hemicop] #309910
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Yeah ! What about 68 / 69 Darts ? Lots of ex S/S cars turned Pro back then .

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Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here! [Re: chryco] #309911
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My understanding is the '68 cars ARE eligible. It's the early 70s A-bodies that some were unsure about . By then the Dusters & E-bodies were proven combos & some foresaw the smaller bodies coming so why build a Valiant/Scamp? I'm still hoping my altered sells so I can build a car for the class as I already have the driveline

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I hope you`re right mine looks great for that class . It`s actually the "early pro stocks " that I modeled my build after .
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Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here! [Re: chryco] #309913
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Looking at the rules (pg. 3 here), it looks like the cut-off for Category I is 1970, however the original rules accepted the '68 cars & there's more than enough proof of them running in P/S, so like the 71-72 Valiants I'm sure they'll be accepted. Btw I was just looking at an old book on P/S & it mentions the first Mopar Missile ran a clutchflite which should stir up more debate as to what trans are legal for the class.

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Clutchflites were discussed IIRC.

Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here! [Re: sixpackjeff] #309915
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I've had a busy summer, but the Nostalgia Pro Stocks are still a go. The program will debut at the Goodguys Rod and Custom Association Nostalgia Nationals, October 16-18, at Beech Bend Park in Bowling Green, Kentucky. On October 30th it will be a Friday only program at zMax Raceway for the Goodguys Southeastern Nationals in Charlotte, NC. Saturday the 31st, the cars will be in a static display inside the Lowes Motor Speedway. Entrants will receive free car and driver entry, free entry for 2 crew members, a $100 appearance fee, as well as color vehicle coverage in the Goodguys magazine and at www.good-guys.com. Bronze miniature Hemi trophies will be awarded as well. Authentic display-only vehicles will receive free entry and coverage. HemiFred has committed to zMax, as has the original Jenkins match race Monza. I've also spoken to several others of you who have expressed an interest in attending. Now is the time to commit! PM me if you're coming. Thanks!

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OK, here's the final rules. We've opened it up so that Nostalgia Hemi SS/AA cars can compete without changing their grille and tail panel. Keep in mind, these rules are mainly a reminder of NHRA safety requirements. The other guidelines are to prevent this from becoming a class of bracket bombers (no offense to grass roots bracket racers ).

Nostalgia Pro Stock

1. Classes:
Open to vehicles formerly used in Pro Stock competition. Vehicles need not be authentic former Pro Stock cars. Clone cars acceptable. Tribute (period correct) cars acceptable. The following vehicles are eligible to compete:
Class I: 1968-70 AMC AMX, 1968-70 AMC Javelin, 1971-77 AMC Hornet, 1968-73 Chevrolet Camaro, 1968-74 Chevrolet Nova, 1968-72 Dodge Dart, 1970-74 Dodge Challenger, 1971-72 Dodge Demon, 1973-76 Dodge Dart Sport, 1970-77 Ford Maverick, 1968-70 Mercury Cougar, 1971-77 Mercury Comet, 1969-73 Ford Mustang, 1968-74 Plymouth Barracuda, 1970-76 Plymouth Duster, 1968-73 Pontiac Firebird.
Class II: 1970-78 AMC Gremlin, 1971-77 Chevrolet Vega, 1974-81 Chevrolet Camaro, 1975-80 Monza, 1971-78 Dodge Colt, 1976-80 Dodge Aspen, 1978-83 Dodge Challenger, 1978-83 Dodge Omni 024/Charger, 1971-79 Ford Pinto, 1974-81 Ford Mustang II, 1971-73 Plymouth Cricket, 1976-80 Plymouth Volare, 1976-80 Plymouth Arrow, 1978-83 Plymouth Horizon TC3/Turismo, 1974-81 Pontiac Firebird.
All vehicles must dial at an established class index during eliminations: (8.00, 8.50, 9.00, 9.50, 10.00). Contestants will qualify based on running closest to their index without running quicker, during time trials. Vehicles may not run quicker than their index during eliminations. Cars will be laddered beginning with the first round of eliminations.

2. Ballast:
Weight must be installed in acceptable weight box, installed in trunk and attached to the frame or cross member. No liquid or loose ballast permitted.

3: Body:
a. Class I: Minimum wheelbase 100 inches. Original steel body shell must be retained. Bodies in white acceptable. Alterations permitted if retaining an overall stock appearance. Excessive weight reduction must not be visible. Fiberglass or other lightweight body panels are allowed for front fenders, hood, doors, bumpers, splash panels, valance panels and deck lid.
Class II: Minimum wheelbase 92 inches. Original steel body shell required. Alterations permitted if retaining an overall stock appearance. Fiberglass or other lightweight body panels are allowed for front fenders, hood, doors, bumpers, splash panels, valance panels and deck lid.
b. Fender Splash Pans: Full inner panels are not required.
c. Firewall: Firewall may be moved rearward from stock location for engine installation. May be replaced with .028 inch steel or .040 inch aluminum.
d. Floors: May be replaced with .028 inch steel or .040 inch aluminum.
e. Frame: Class I: Back-halved cars only. Must use stock frame for car body used. Properly reinforced stepped frames permitted. Cross members may only be altered or relocated for engine or transmission clearance. Additional members may be added for roll cage installation. Class II: Back halved or tube chassis cars. Any properly reinforced frame permitted. Additional members may be added for roll cage installation.
f. Grille: Must be full production for make, model and year claimed. Covering in front of grille prohibited. Vehicle must retain stock head lamps, tail lamps and turn signals. Lights need not be operational.
g. Hood/Scoop: Hood required in all classes. Hood may be modified to clear intake manifold. Era-correct (snorkel, lump) hood scoop required. No “aero” scoops permitted.
h. Interior: Upholstered aftermarket front bucket type seats permitted (two required). Rear seat may be removed. Aftermarket replacement dashboard with aftermarket gauges allowed.
i. Paint: All cars must be painted in a style that reflects the era and paint colors available at the time. No primered vehicles. Decals and lettering must appear to be vintage. Contingency decals must represent products that are era correct.
j. Spoilers: OEM spoilers allowed. All rear spoilers other than those originally factory installed must not be more than four inches high and must be mounted behind the rear axle. Any rear spoiler must be integrated into the overall body design and be painted to match. No air dams.
k. Windows: Windshield and windows must be of safety glass, Lexan, Plexiglass, or other shatter-proof material. Windows not required to be operative.
l. Wheel Tubs: Wheel tubs of any size are allowed if legal wheels and tires are positioned in stock location relative to exterior body lines.

4. Brakes:
Brakes required on all four wheels. Aftermarket units allowed. Line-locks permitted.

5. Chassis:
Sub frames may be joined. Rear frame may be moved in or reconstructed for rear tire and wheel tub clearance. Roll cage required in all vehicles per NHRA General Regulation 4:11. Vehicles must have current NHRA chassis inspection sticker.

6. Drivetrain:
a. Any transmission with a maximum of four forward speeds and reverse allowed. Trans brake permitted with automatic transmission. Clutchless units accepted. Must remain in conventional location determined by engine used.
b. Rear End: Any rear end allowed, provided it was original equipment in an American production car. Aftermarket housings and axles, along with any gear ratio, are allowed.
c. Driveshaft Loop: Required.

7. Electrical:
Battery may be relocated. Electrically driven fans and water pumps permitted. Charging system not required.

8. Electronics:
a. The following electronics are not permitted; timed ignition interruption devices (stutter boxes), delay boxes, air and mechanical throttle stops, air shifters, dual line locks.
b. Computers and Data Recorders are allowed as long as they do not activate any function of the vehicle. Playback tachometers are allowed. No front wheel, hub or drive shaft pickups.
c. Electronic ignition components are permitted. Rpm limiters may be used for burnout and high side only, not as a launch device. 2 Step Module Selectors permitted with manual transmission only.

9. Engine:
a. Block: Restricted to original assembly line block or aftermarket replacement block. Must be same make as body used. Aluminum blocks allowed. Any displacement and internal modifications are allowed.
b. Carburetion: Limited to two four-barrel American automotive carburetors.
c. Cylinder Heads: Aluminum aftermarket heads allowed. Must retain original external overall appearance. Any internal modifications allowed.
d. Intake Manifold: Cast in-line dual four intake manifold required.
e. Oiling System: Dry sump systems permitted.
f. No power adders permitted.

10. Exhaust:
Open headers allowed.

11. Fuel:
Only gasoline fuel is permitted. Aftermarket fuel cells, electric fuel pumps and regulators allowed. No nitrous oxide.

12. Ignition:
Any aftermarket ignition systems, wiring and electronic conversion kits are allowed. See “Electronics” for additional restrictions.

13. Radiator:
Any size radiator in stock location allowed. 16 oz. catch can required.

14. Safety:
a. Helmets: Must meet SNELL or SFI 31.2A or 41.2A specifications. All helmets must have the appropriate certification sticker affixed inside the helmet.
b. Protective Clothing: Jacket and pants must meet SFI Spec 3.2A/5.
c. Seat Belts: Required in all vehicles. Three inch safety harness must meet SFI Spec 16.1 and be less than two years old.

15. Steering:
Stock type steering in conventional location required. Rack and pinion steering permitted.

16. Suspension:
Aftermarket front suspension permitted. Front suspension limiters permitted. Sway bar optional. Solid bushings in rear suspension allowed. Leaf springs may be moved inboard for tire clearance. Ladder bars or four-link rear suspensions allowed. Wheelie bars allowed.

17. Tires:
Front tires must have a minimum tread width of 4.5 inches. Rear slicks are permitted and are limited to a maximum side wall designation of 14.5 inches of width by 33 inches of diameter. Tire tread may not extend outside of fender. Maximum clearance between sidewall and body is 3 inches.

18. Weight:
Class I: Minimum weight 2400 pounds. Vehicle with 366 cubic inch engine or less may weigh 2100 pounds.
Class II: Minimum weight 2100 pounds.

19. Wheelbase:
Era-accepted modifications permitted.

20. Wheels:
Minimum 3.5 inches width required on the front. Any rear width is allowed as long as it fits under the stock wheel well opening.

21. Rule Discrepancy: In the event of a rule discrepancy or if a subject is not covered herein, defer to the current NHRA rule book based on vehicle Elapsed Time.

22. Technical Inspection: The guidelines set within, and the safety rules set forth by NHRA are intended solely as the minimum acceptable standards. Safety is the responsibility of the participant. Prior to competition, all vehicles and drivers must pass the host facility’s tech inspection. NHRA safety regulations supersede any and all other regulations. The final interpretation of any and all rules concerning safety is solely at the discretion of the host facility’s Tech Director. NNPSA makes no representations, warranties, or assurances that a technical inspection will: detect every problem with a vehicle or a driver’s personal equipment or clothing; detect every problem with rules compliance, or prevent injury, death or property damage. Non-safety related guidelines are set to ensure that vehicles represent the spirit of the class, not as a means of disqualification. All materials copyright 2009 Jeff Johnson and the National Nostalgic Pro Stock Association.

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Jeff,

I have a couple questions about this. I sold my Dart, but am not out yet, still have my '82 Horizon. Are two front seats required in Class II also?

About the electronics, I have no problem with taking my delay box out, but a question about my three step. Can I just remove the launch rpm chip and leave the other two alone, or must it be a two step only?

Thanks,
Steve.


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Steve, we're not going to give people a hard time on the rules (at least not at first). The purpose is to have fun and put on a show that folks don't see everyday. Add the seat when you get the time and $. The 3-step will probably be ok, but if anyone catches you using it, you're out. Let's follow the spirit of the rules, slap on some vintage decals and enjoy ourselves.

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I have no intentions on using the 3 step, I really don't even need the high side, just the burnout. I just didn't want to have to cut a bunch of wires and so on.

The car will be lettered by next year. I will not be able to make the two events this year, just hoping to have something going by next year.

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