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Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here!
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First off since this is an index race why exclude anyone? Let everyone race even the lighter cars. I cant see cutting anyone out in the 70's or even up to 82. Its a glorified bracket race and you have 4 classes. There is no reason not to let the vega's, colt's, and mustang's run. That is my opinion but you dont have enough cars to fill 4 classes with this short of notice.
What do you guys think?
Herb Jr
Herb,we beat the selection to death here a dozen times. the way they have it represents the early years best.a much truer version until when the small cars came and everything changed as you know . the sub classes let in the small cars and later years in so they can also play. maybe an overall final would work.Regretfully I am not going to run as much as I would have liked to so that's just my 
This isnt a heads up race ....this is an INDEX RACE, lets face it. This is nothing but a glorified bracket race. If the cars are done right I see no problem with letting them in. You have 4 classes here and you will be lucky to have 20 cars that is not a show. As a former track promoter you want more than 20 cars in 4 classes. Your allowing automatics which is not correct in my opinion. If you run an auto you should have to footbrake not transbrake. Or you could use a clutch flite. BUT TRANSBRAKES WERENT AROUND BACK THEN AND SHOULDNT BE ALLOWED if we are on the ERA KICK. Just my opinion. If these rules are worked out and put in writing you may see a McCandless Car out there. It will be an early heavey car because I'm not scared of a vega, colt or Mustang. Hell I'm not even scared of a Fairmont!!!!
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Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here!
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This wont be a cheap car to do, We will do one but if the class doesnt have good roots it wont make it. Pick a year, make it where a tech council approves every car and lets race. All I need is a 3rd pedal and I'm ready, I wont run this class with an automatic. And if we are ERA specific NO TRANS BRAKES/TWO STEPS. Make them sound like real race cars.  
Too many cliques for it to ever work.
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Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here!
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Ok, here's the class outlines so far. Class I is non-tube chassis cars, minimum 100 inch wheelbase, 2400 pounds. Class II is stock or aftermarket chassis cars, minimum 92 inch wheelbase, 2100 pounds.
Nostalgia Pro Stock
1. Classes:
Open to vehicles formerly used in Pro Stock competition. The following vehicles are eligible to compete:
Class I: 1969-70 AMC AMX, 1971-74 AMC Javelin, 1971-77 AMC Hornet, 1969-73 Chevrolet Camaro, 1969-74 Chevrolet Nova, 1970-74 Dodge Challenger, 1971-72 Dodge Demon, 1973-76 Dodge Dart Sport 1970-77 Ford Maverick, 1969-70 Mercury Cougar, 1971-77 Mercury Comet, 1969-73 Ford Mustang, 1969-74 Plymouth Barracuda, 1970-76 Plymouth Duster, 1969-73 Pontiac Firebird.
Class II: 1970-78 AMC Gremlin, 1971-77 Chevrolet Vega, 1974-81 Chevrolet Camaro, 1971-78 Dodge Colt, 1976-80 Dodge Aspen, 1978-83 Dodge Challenger, 1978-83 Dodge Omni 024/Charger, 1971-79 Ford Pinto, 1974-81 Ford Mustang II, 1971-73 Plymouth Cricket, 1976-80 Plymouth Volare, 1976-80 Plymouth Arrow, 1978-83 Plymouth Horizon TC3/Turismo, 1974-81 Pontiac Firebird.
Vehicles need not be authentic Pro Stock cars. Clone cars acceptable. Tribute (period correct) cars acceptable. All vehicles must dial at an established class index during eliminations: (8.00, 8.50, 9.00, 9.50, 10.00). Contestants will qualify based on running closest to their index without running quicker, during time trials. Cars will be laddered beginning with the first round of eliminations.
Also, here's another pic for you. This is Billy Stepp's first Challenger which I used to own. It started out as a stock 1970 Hemi Challenger R/T, 4-speed, Hemi Orange. If we're lucky, we'll see this car racing out of Minnesota soon!
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... All I need is a 3rd pedal and I'm ready, I wont run this class with an automatic. And if we are ERA specific NO TRANS BRAKES/TWO STEPS. Make them sound like real race cars.
Right on, Herb !
The class will be a flop if automatics are allowed.
Just a glorified bracket race is exactly what you will get-boring. No body cares. You've waited 15 years to get this nostalgia pro stock thing rolling and you immediately ruin it. THE reason the early pro stocks were so popular? They were the ultimate stick shift car. I beg of you, don't do this. It will be a fatal mistake, I promise.
I think the idea is a great one and hope it is a wild success, and it can be,if done correctly.
Good luck !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m13VbDl0JwA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgDEWhcufjU
Thanks for the input! Here were the rules straight out of NHRA.
a. 1972 NHRA Rules: Any transmission acceptable with forward and reverse gears. Must remain in conventional location determined by engine used. Manual clutch automatic transmissions are permitted.
b. 1983 NHRA Rules: Any transmission with a maximum of five forward speeds and reverse allowed. Clutchless units accepted. Must remain in conventional location determined by engine used.
We're not in a position to demand that people make large investments for a hobby race. When I created the Max Wedge Shootout in 1993, it was to allow Max Wedge guys to race who couldn't be competitive, or legal, in NHRA Stock Eliminator. I don't have to tell you how wildly successful that class has become. Let's see what this class brings. Listen to Hemi Fred. He's been there, done that. 
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... All I need is a 3rd pedal and I'm ready, I wont run this class with an automatic. And if we are ERA specific NO TRANS BRAKES/TWO STEPS. Make them sound like real race cars.
Right on, Herb !
The class will be a flop if automatics are allowed.
Just a glorified bracket race is exactly what you will get-boring. No body cares. You've waited 15 years to get this nostalgia pro stock thing rolling and you immediately ruin it. THE reason the early pro stocks were so popular? They were the ultimate stick shift car. I beg of you, don't do this. It will be a fatal mistake, I promise.
I think the idea is a great one and hope it is a wild success, and it can be,if done correctly.
Good luck !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m13VbDl0JwA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgDEWhcufjU
do you think any more than 1% of the presently potential car owners will be standing in line to spend the 5k plus to change back to a 4 speed ? 833's ain't cutting it in cars like mine and a lenco represents squat in the suggestion. I would have to buy a high dollar trans and clutch .Then change the set up plus learn to make it hook for that $100.00 prize offered 5 times a year.. banging gears is not going to be enjoyed by my 35 year old chassis. then again I could just build a whole car for the class. what will you be running if you join us ?
Fred, I think it would depend on how badly car owners want to get involved with this particular class. It would cost about 7000-10,000 to convert a slush box to a stick. Jerico's are 3500, G- Force 4500 including shifter. Flywheel, pressure plate and disc would be 2000 from Tim Hyatt, 2800 from Rob Youngblood or 3000 from Boninfante.
It is true that it takes time to learn to tune a suspension for a stick, 2-3 TnTs. My 72 Duster has stock frame rails and takes the beating without problems, so will yours. Building a purpose-built car for the class is also a reasonable but expensive way to go. Not sure if my car fits the rules, being a W-2 headed 358 small block. If it does, I would try to make some of the events. See youtube clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m13VbDl0JwA
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Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here!
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Fred, I think it would depend on how badly car owners want to get involved with this particular class. It would cost about 7000-10,000 to convert a slush box to a stick. Jerico's are 3500, G- Force 4500 including shifter. Flywheel, pressure plate and disc would be 2000 from Tim Hyatt, 2800 from Rob Youngblood or 3000 from Boninfante.
It is true that it takes time to learn to tune a suspension for a stick, 2-3 TnTs. My 72 Duster has stock frame rails and takes the beating without problems, so will yours. Building a purpose-built car for the class is also a reasonable but expensive way to go. Not sure if my car fits the rules, being a W-2 headed 358 small block. If it does, I would try to make some of the events. See youtube clip.
let's simplify the above:
Now to run this series I need to spend 10k to change to a 4 speed . NO WAY
I have no problem with the automatic....BUT IF YOU ARE ERA CORRECT NO TRANS BRAKES OR TWO STEPS ON THE STARTING LINE. You can run a high side with a lenco or stick.
Lenco's killed match racing. Face it they did. It took the real drivers out of the cars.
ALLOW YOUR AUTOMATIC JUST MAKE IT ERA CORRECT.....
I ran the first trans brake ever built for a torqueflight at Gainesville FL. I know when it was and I didnt turn 16 until 1984.
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Thanks for the input! Here were the rules straight out of NHRA.
a. 1972 NHRA Rules: Any transmission acceptable with forward and reverse gears. Must remain in conventional location determined by engine used. Manual clutch automatic transmissions are permitted.
b. 1983 NHRA Rules: Any transmission with a maximum of five forward speeds and reverse allowed. Clutchless units accepted. Must remain in conventional location determined by engine used.
We're not in a position to demand that people make large investments for a hobby race. When I created the Max Wedge Shootout in 1993, it was to allow Max Wedge guys to race who couldn't be competitive, or legal, in NHRA Stock Eliminator. I don't have to tell you how wildly successful that class has become. Let's see what this class brings. Listen to Hemi Fred. He's been there, done that.
Other than the early Motown Missle with a clutchflite, I NEVER saw an early pro stock car with anything other than a 4 speed. Neither has anyone else. You are selling them a pig with lipstick. Spectators won't buy it.
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Thanks for the input! Here were the rules straight out of NHRA.
a. 1972 NHRA Rules: Any transmission acceptable with forward and reverse gears. Must remain in conventional location determined by engine used. Manual clutch automatic transmissions are permitted.
b. 1983 NHRA Rules: Any transmission with a maximum of five forward speeds and reverse allowed. Clutchless units accepted. Must remain in conventional location determined by engine used.
We're not in a position to demand that people make large investments for a hobby race. When I created the Max Wedge Shootout in 1993, it was to allow Max Wedge guys to race who couldn't be competitive, or legal, in NHRA Stock Eliminator. I don't have to tell you how wildly successful that class has become. Let's see what this class brings. Listen to Hemi Fred. He's been there, done that.
Other than the early Motown Missle with a clutchflite, I NEVER saw an early pro stock car with anything other than a 4 speed. Neither has anyone else. You are selling them a pig with lipstick. Spectators won't buy it.
We're not reinventing history, we're just honoring it.
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Thanks for the input! Here were the rules straight out of NHRA.
a. 1972 NHRA Rules: Any transmission acceptable with forward and reverse gears. Must remain in conventional location determined by engine used. Manual clutch automatic transmissions are permitted.
b. 1983 NHRA Rules: Any transmission with a maximum of five forward speeds and reverse allowed. Clutchless units accepted. Must remain in conventional location determined by engine used.
We're not in a position to demand that people make large investments for a hobby race. When I created the Max Wedge Shootout in 1993, it was to allow Max Wedge guys to race who couldn't be competitive, or legal, in NHRA Stock Eliminator. I don't have to tell you how wildly successful that class has become. Let's see what this class brings. Listen to Hemi Fred. He's been there, done that.
Other than the early Motown Missle with a clutchflite, I NEVER saw an early pro stock car with anything other than a 4 speed. Neither has anyone else. You are selling them a pig with lipstick. Spectators won't buy it.
We're not reinventing history, we're just honoring it.
My dad made his living racing in this era and a very good one at that. I will have a car for this series if possible.
I need this question answered as I have mentioned it 3x with no answer.
WILL TRANSBRAKES BE ALLOWED?
Please answer this question.
Herb McCandless Jr
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