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Re: Bore out lifter bores to .937 ? [Re: DracerX] #3252128
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RacerX,
No I have not yet, shows you how fast I make progress. But I have not abandoned this train of thought at all !
The large oil galley opening for the lifter could possibly be worked around.
It would involve restricting certain oil galleys and possibly re-routing high pressure oil with steel tubing.
Or, use some kind of full skirt lifter.

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On a production block and typical moderate 'race' application a 1" OD bushing installed with about .0015" press and 'trued' has been the standard reliable practice for eons. Put an .043 hole in it and oversize the oil feed hole at the turn being cautious of the material being left on the gallery wall. It solves oil control issues and properly done it trues-up cam timing variation. Plenty of higher quality .904 bodied lifters available. ADDING: while you're there make the bushing as long as possible.

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Re: Bore out lifter bores to .937 ? [Re: HardcoreB] #3252202
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We have done .937" lifters with bronze bushing MANY times with Mopar BB's. GThere is no issue with it. Depending on the lifters you can get a larger wheel on that body. I use Jesel lifters FWIW


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I've had several stock B and RB blocks bushed for the 904 lifters and use the .820 solid roller wheel lifters, worked good up


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A .937" lifter allows you to go to an .850" wheel....A 1.062" lifter would allow for up to a .940" wheel. The larger lifter body also allows for a larger pushrod to be used.


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Hello Al,
Are the bushings, at least for Mopar, 1/16" wall thickness, meaning that the OD is 1 1/16 for a .937 lifter ?
My only objection is that a 1 1/16 bushing leaves very little metal left on the existing lifter bore.

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Why not make a lifter girdle with bushing protruding up thru it. Then fill in around the gally outside with epoxy or similar substance? Like hardblock does for cylinders.

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That is an outstanding idea !

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Novice question here. Since power expected is modeate at 650 hp out of 500+ cubes, why not consider a STEP BACKWARDS? The thought comes to mind that the bbc motor uses a smaller lifter for power levels above what you seek. If a block needs repair work, total cost would also include the added (if any) cost of special size lifters. I am assuming hi quality bbc roller lifters would be cheaper, and readily available should you ever need a replacement. At 650 reqiured power level, a rather mild roller profile and modest springs will make for a long life motor.


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Originally Posted by gregsdart
Novice question here. Since power expected is modeate at 650 hp out of 500+ cubes, why not consider a STEP BACKWARDS? The thought comes to mind that the bbc motor uses a smaller lifter for power levels above what you seek. If a block needs repair work, total cost would also include the added (if any) cost of special size lifters. I am assuming hi quality bbc roller lifters would be cheaper, and readily available should you ever need a replacement. At 650 reqiured power level, a rather mild roller profile and modest springs will make for a long life motor.


Not a bad idea BUT ... you can't just take a Mopar roller cam and run it with Chevy-sized rollers and expect the same results. The specs will change everywhere in the cycle except at the baseline and max lift. You would need to have a cam ground on a Mopar blank with a Chevy profile to accomodates the different size lifter wheels.

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Originally Posted by Stanton
Originally Posted by gregsdart
Novice question here. Since power expected is modeate at 650 hp out of 500+ cubes, why not consider a STEP BACKWARDS? The thought comes to mind that the bbc motor uses a smaller lifter for power levels above what you seek. If a block needs repair work, total cost would also include the added (if any) cost of special size lifters. I am assuming hi quality bbc roller lifters would be cheaper, and readily available should you ever need a replacement. At 650 reqiured power level, a rather mild roller profile and modest springs will make for a long life motor.


Not a bad idea BUT ... you can't just take a Mopar roller cam and run it with Chevy-sized rollers and expect the same results. The specs will change everywhere in the cycle except at the baseline and max lift. You would need to have a cam ground on a Mopar blank with a Chevy profile to accomodates the different size lifter wheels.


I would think yea on a flat tappet lifter but a roller is always dead center touching the cam no matter how big it is. Like train wheels could be 6 ft in diameter but only touch’s the rail a couple thousands of an inch. Maybe I’m thinking this wrong but..

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With a flat tappet, the contact point and pressure angle doesn't change when going up in lifter diameter. A larger diameter does let you run more aggressive lobes without the contact point getting too close to the edge of the lifter.
With larger diameter roller wheels, the pressure angle is reduced, and the wheel makes contact with the ramp of the profile earlier. There is also less side loading at the bottom of the lifter.
Cam grinders can alter the lobe profile to produce the same valve motion regardless of wheel size, if you tell them the diameter wheels you are using. Otherwise, you will add a degree or more to the duration running a larger wheel than the lobe was ground for. Total lift remains unchanged.

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Re: Bore out lifter bores to .937 ? [Re: DracerX] #3259946
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Originally Posted by DracerX
hemienvy, did you go down the .937 lifter path? Does anyone else here have experience doing this?

I've got a B block 512 going together and the factory bores are 0.9063 to 0.9071.
Many of them have taper top to bottom and slightly out of round.
I've heard, but have not been able to confirm, that BAM will make oversize on request.
I'd have to have the lifter bores trued up anyhow so why not go to an off the shelf size versus custom.
This is a street/strip build to hit about 650 HP, solid roller cam.
I like the idea of not removing so much metal to fit a bushing.
Would plan on using a lifter with edge orifice oiling with the hole parallel to the oil galley.
I can set up the block for full time oiling with modified passages, or go with PR oiling.

Mopar used to offer oversize lifters (like maybe .005" & .010" oversize) which would be very helpful to us right now.


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just rambling......

Money versus gain came into my equation awhile back. I considered going to Ford or Chevy size .875 solid flat lifters because they are hundreds less and everywhere. NASCAR lifters can be resurfaced and are super hard. I think that's a good option for lower HP engines. But anyhow, I bushed them back to stock spec..


I had a couple sets of $1700 Jesel .937 lifters for a B-1 engine that never got finished and I think I have one set left?

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