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Re: DA vs humidity affect your 60 fts? [Re: FurryStump] #3090145
10/29/22 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by FurryStump
I’m coming around to the idea that the grains of moisture is more impactful on horsepower than the DA number.

Sure seems to be a good indicator for my 1320 of whether it's gonna run hard or "so so" based on what I've seen to date. Never really paid any attention to it before starting this thread, either.


2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: DA vs humidity affect your 60 fts? [Re: dvw] #3090152
10/29/22 10:54 AM
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Is there an actual app for android phone ? I can go to web site on desktop computer , but not finding an app to place on my phone . I used to use dragrace workbench app but does not have all info needed . Gary

Re: DA vs humidity affect your 60 fts? [Re: FurryStump] #3090168
10/29/22 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by FurryStump
I’m coming around to the idea that the grains of moisture is more impactful on horsepower than the DA number. I have run good mph for the car at 3200 feet DA, but dry air and been disappointed at 400-500 DA with damp air. Cloudless sky is hard to beat. Thinking logically, the increase in air pressure from 100 feet to 3000 is relatively small. The increase in volume due to temperature is relatively small. Going from 10% humidity to 80% is huge.


Wet air can be compensated for with timing. The biggest thing that will affect a naturally aspirated car is barometric pressure. As actual altitude goes up barometers go down. Also storm fronts can have a great affect on ACTUAL barometer readings. Not what you get on TV weather which is ALWAYS a corrected barometer reading. This is a big factor in calculating DA's. For instance where Brad runs his car the barometer is usually high 29's to over 30. Out here where I am we do back flips if the baro reading reaches 28.00! Why NHRA factors altitiude tracks and changes indexes for the various classes. Those only adjust for the physical altitude not the weather.


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Re: DA vs humidity affect your 60 fts? [Re: Al_Alguire] #3090189
10/29/22 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Al_Alguire


Wet air can be compensated for with timing. The biggest thing that will affect a naturally aspirated car is barometric pressure. As actual altitude goes up barometers go down. Also storm fronts can have a great affect on ACTUAL barometer readings. Not what you get on TV weather which is ALWAYS a corrected barometer reading. This is a big factor in calculating DA's. For instance where Brad runs his car the barometer is usually high 29's to over 30. Out here where I am we do back flips if the baro reading reaches 28.00! Why NHRA factors altitiude tracks and changes indexes for the various classes. Those only adjust for the physical altitude not the weather.


Al, would you expand on this please.

Re: DA vs humidity affect your 60 fts? [Re: justinp61] #3090340
10/29/22 10:08 PM
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I think it's cuz water in the air/fuel mixture reduces detonation (aka water injection); if the water % in the air is higher, you should run more timing to help offset the reduction in O2.

Is that right, Al?


2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: DA vs humidity affect your 60 fts? [Re: Al_Alguire] #3090361
10/29/22 11:01 PM
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When it comes to barometric pressures the standard used in aviation is you lose one inch of pressure for every thousand feet of elevation above mean sea level, halfway between high and low tides.
High altitudes with high humidity and high air temps. really suck, huh Al whistling
the bad thing about avaition weather reporting is they correct all of it to Instrument Standard atmosphere, which is 29.92 barometric pressure at mean sea level at 59.0 F with zero humidity work
Las Vegas FAA reports for those airports around their will be corrected, not actual conditions, very misleading rant


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Re: DA vs humidity affect your 60 fts? [Re: Cab_Burge] #3090367
10/29/22 11:54 PM
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If you can find your track on Air Density Online, it provides the actual as well as corrected (aka BS) barometric pressures, humidity, DA, water grains, etc.


2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: DA vs humidity affect your 60 fts? [Re: Brad_Haak] #3090391
10/30/22 08:28 AM
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The formula my prediction software uses is; DA, 1/2 baro, 1/2 humidity. If the 60ft is inputed correctly it will predict within a few .00x
Doug

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Re: DA vs humidity affect your 60 fts? [Re: justinp61] #3091137
11/02/22 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by justinp61
Al, would you expand on this please.


Which part? As for grains of water(high humidity/dew point] you can advance to timing to "burn off" the excess water. Especially in lower gears where you have torque multiplication helping. We really see a very small drop off in performance when we go back east in "wet" air. But we add alot of timing to the engine to compensate. As much as 12 degrees in first gear 9 in second and 2-4 degrees above base timing in high gear minimum depending on the conditions.


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