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Re: Exhaust System for A body
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Yes, the 'cuda is a 4 spd. I am pulling the front end apart for a rebuild/disc brake swap so I might as well do the headers, too. Who would have thought there would be so many variables on picking an exhaust system! 
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Re: Exhaust System for A body
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05/05/09 05:18 PM
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I understand if you have a 4 speed car you have to
buy a special Z bar with TTI's also.
Not true. I used the stock Z-bar w/the TTI's and only had to do a little bending and grinding on the lower bar for the clutch fork adj. rod to fit between the tubes.
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Re: Exhaust System for A body
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05/05/09 08:50 PM
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Ive run the Summit kit on quite a few cars Ive owned, including my current Barracuda. Everything fit perfectly on all of them. No dinging or bending pipes, and all had good ground clearance
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Re: Exhaust System for A body
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05/06/09 08:59 AM
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I like the TTI stuff, but it's a bit on the expensive side for now.I looked at the Pypes systems, too.
I think I will go w/ the 3" Summit setup, w/ Hooker Comp Headers. I still need to decide on the Summit mufflers or not.
I have the Summit 3" system on mmy 70 Charger. fit was pretty good. I did have to make a few dings, but I didn't use hookers. The Summit mufflers sound good, kind of old school sound. Nothing like Flows. I'd suggest you go get some of the big deisel type clamps the go over both sides of the pipe. I used them at the mufflers. I tacked it in place and will have an exhaust shop weld it all up later.
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Re: Exhaust System for A body
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05/06/09 10:16 AM
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Mark do you have a sound clip of the street pro muffler ?
Sorry John, no clip. I have no drone w/the street pro's. They start to sound nicely around 2.1k rpm on up.
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Re: Exhaust System for A body
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05/06/09 04:58 PM
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The pre fabbed systems from Summit and Jegs are a bargain. Nice bends and a nice range of diameters!
Keep old mopars alive.
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Re: Exhaust System for A body
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Next question - The Hooker headers obviously are on the low side with how far they drop. Someone mentioned they cranked up the torsion bars to change the ride height. My question is if I put a larger set of torsion bars on the car (say .92), will I still need to crank up the ride height or will the stiffer bars keep the headers from bottoming out on the pavement?
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Re: Exhaust System for A body
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05/08/09 10:37 AM
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Next question - The Hooker headers obviously are on the low side with how far they drop. Someone mentioned they cranked up the torsion bars to change the ride height. My question is if I put a larger set of torsion bars on the car (say .92), will I still need to crank up the ride height or will the stiffer bars keep the headers from bottoming out on the pavement?
Cranking up the bars is a silly way to gain ground clearance , I put it right up there with the   telling people to use rocker shaft shims to correct for aggressive head and block milling .
Erik , do yourself a favor and spend the extra cash for a header that doesn't have a tube running under the tie rods , a stiffer torsion bar will help with the bottoming out but what about something in the road that is sticking up a little higher than it should , like if you are driving on a road the town is redoing that they ground the surface down and there are manhole covers and such sticking up ?
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Re: Exhaust System for A body
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05/08/09 11:07 AM
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I hear you. What do you think of Doug's Headers? They don't look like they go around the tie rods from the pics on the website. Although the Hooker website showed the headers I did order as not going around the tie rod either, which is why I ordered them. If I went with the Doug's, I could modify the Summit system to bolt up. I would then need to get a mini-starter, too. Manholes? Did you forget where I live? We are lucky to have paved roads here - and by paved I mean tar & chipped!
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Re: Exhaust System for A body
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The Hooker does go under the tie rod. I didn't think it did based on the pic on the website. When I got it , it does - hence the discussion.
My only concern with the Doug's is how much modification I will need to do w/ the Summit exhaust system.
1970 Challenger Convertible soon to be T/A convertible
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Re: Exhaust System for A body
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05/08/09 12:02 PM
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Edit ... I see it is , I can't imagine there is too much mods required , there is only some much room for a header in that area between the frame and the trans , but it would suck to have to cobble up the mandrel bends for a header change
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Re: Exhaust System for A body
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05/08/09 12:14 PM
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Doug's makes a nice header , the mini starter is a plus in my mind , lighter weight and more compact .
if the Hooker doesn't go under the tierod then it would be good also , why is that being discussed if it doesn't do that ? Does the hooker need to be pulled to do a starter change ?
on the small blocks, the hooker, hedman, dynomax, flowtech, blackjack, and summit headers are all essentially the same routing, 3 tubes go under the tie rod. on my M body with hedmans, I don't need to pull the header to replace the long chrysler starter, you just need to crank the wheels hard to the right.
dougs do look nice, but they still are kinda pricey, $430 bare, $580 coated....not as pricey as TTI's, but not much cheaper, either.
*RANT ON* what I don't get is with these headers that are $400-up bare/painted & $550-up ceramic coated is why they are still mild steel. it's a ripoff, plain and simple. material cost to make them out of 409 steel would be incrementally more expensive (pricing out tubing & mandrel bends for my exhaust system, MAYBE an extra $50), and would make a MUCH MORE durable header. granted, there might be additional cost in manufacturing with the welding process. The 409 stainless Y pipe that was stock on my 5th ave was still solid and clean 18 years later....the OEM 409 stainless exhaust on a friend's 13 year old GM truck looks as good as it did when it was 3 years old. **rant off**
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