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Re: Will Charger/Challenger plants go idle for year? [Re: wingman] #3054149
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Instead of learning from the pandemic about all of the pitfalls of "lean" manufacturing, it appears some manufacturers are doubling-down instead.


Exactly. Parts for my 51 Plymouth have been mostly available, having been made and setting on a shelf for 70+ years. But new build stuff, like water pumps, fuel pumps and the like are getting thin on the ground.

Lean manufacturing relies heavily on a supply chain being intact and competent. Anyone that has bought rubber motor mounts lately knows how competent the supply chain is for our stuff.

Re: Will Charger/Challenger plants go idle for year? [Re: Sniper] #3054248
06/29/22 01:38 AM
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They are showing 3 new Dodges in August so you'll know then, its believed one of them will be the final edition LX. Other the hornet and the EV one, at roadkill nights

Re: Will Charger/Challenger plants go idle for year? [Re: Dart 500] #3054269
06/29/22 07:20 AM
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This ^. The manufacturer bills the dealer for the car once it rolls off the line. The lots will be stuffed as soon as they can and the discounts will also be back. [/quote]

There’s no returning to that model after Covid. Dealerships and manufacturers have completely changed their future practices.


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Originally Posted by 1972CudaV21
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This ^. The manufacturer bills the dealer for the car once it rolls off the line. The lots will be stuffed as soon as they can and the discounts will also be back.


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There’s no returning to that model after Covid. Dealerships and manufacturers have completely changed their future practices.


Yeah they said the same thing about RV's "The big discounts and inventories are gone forever". Both are already back lol

The car companies have some complex issues on their hands regarding your EV being worthless once the battery wears out, as well as battery recycling that will cause some changes. You'll see pre-owned turn into "factory refurbished" or something like that. Not far from what they do today with laptops and cell phones.


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Re: Will Charger/Challenger plants go idle for year? [Re: 360view] #3054438
06/29/22 04:13 PM
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Every coming model year vehicle MPG requirements get much steeper, and soon there is also a CO2 per mile regulation.

https://humanevents.com/2022/06/22/new-mpg-rule-will-exacerbate-existing-car-shortage/

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NHTSA’s new rule requires a massive 40 percent increase in mpg from now to 2026. Fuel efficiency must rise 8 percent in 2024 and 2025 model year automobiles, and 10 percent in 2026 model year automobiles, to a 49-mpg car and truck fleet average. Historically, the most manufacturers have been able to increase mpg year-over-year is about 3 percent. So, surging average mpg by a whopping 10 percent is a tall order.

Adding insult to injury, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has separately set carbon dioxide (CO2) emission limits on automobile fleets.
By 2026, cars will have to produce an average of 132 grams of CO2 per mile (g/mile) and light trucks an average of 187 g/mile for a fleet average of 161 g/mile, a 28 percent decrease from 2022.

If vehicles do not meet this standard, EPA will not certify them for sale.

The challenge with this ruling is no cars with an internal combustion engine, that is, every automobile that runs on gasoline, currently emit CO2 at this extremely low level. The lowest-emitting car is the 2022 Toyota Prius Eco at 159 g/mile.
Trucks like the Ford F-150, Dodge Ram, and the Chevrolet Silverado, the three most popular automobiles in the country in terms of sales, emit 407 to 550 g/mile, depending on engine size.

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Re: Will Charger/Challenger plants go idle for year? [Re: 360view] #3054482
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Sign up now for a Stellantis mining job.....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/oth...apse-if-evs-don-t-get-cheaper/ar-AAYZXp3

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While Stellantis will comply with the decision, policy makers appear to “not care” whether automakers have enough raw materials to underpin the shift, Chief Executive Officer Carlos Tavares said Wednesday.

Greater demand for EV batteries between 2024 and 2027 -- a period before more European capacity is due to come online -- will benefit Asian producers and “put at risk” cell output in the West, Tavares said during a factory visit in Metz in northeastern France.

Stellantis is developing five large battery factories across North America and Europe to produce 400 gigawatt-hours of cells by 2030.
He added the company won’t rule out buying a mine to secure raw-material supplies.

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