Re: Anyone ever used CLR to flush / clean a radiator
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when i worked at a Honda dealer in the mid 80's there was a big problem with the radiators and heater cores plugging up.the heads had problems also. the quick fix was drain the radiator, add about 4oz of Qxalic acid, wood bleach, to the radiator, re fill and run the car at about 2000 rpm for a hour or so. then flush and refill. it worked 90% of the time. https://www.amazon.com/Oxalic-Acid-Bleaching-Wood-Net/dp/B001F2US4U
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Re: Anyone ever used CLR to flush / clean a radiator
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I can tell you from experience that CLR works NOTHING like it is shown on TV. The dip & clean demonstration they depict is a complete farce.
I will also say this: I had a 78 Super Coupe back in the later 80's & the engine always ran hot - something was not right with the cooling system, also the coolant always was brown even after flushing the system & using new coolant. Radiator looked good internally, but I pulled it anyway & had a radiator shop boil it out & pressure test it, then reinstalled along with a new thermostat & water pump. SAME scenario - running hot & dirty looking coolant. Finally on a slow day, we pulled the engine due to a freeze plug that was leaking - it was one of the ones that you could not do with the engine sitting in the cradle. So the plan was to replace all the freeze plugs with new ones, clean & paint the motor & the exhaust manifolds, etc. - reinstall. Upon knocking out the large freeze plugs on both sides, we discovered SO MUCH sediment in the passages - like mud. We hosed it all out & a LOT of crap completely flushed out pretty quickly & easily til the water ran clear. Installed new freeze plugs, painted the motor & reinstalled. This completely took care of the issue. I'll tell you this, there is no way you can effectively flush a motor that contains sediment unless you pull the freeze plugs. This was the ticket.
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Re: Anyone ever used CLR to flush / clean a radiator
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I would drain the system and go to Walmart and buy 3-4 gallons of white vinegar. It will eat the lime out of the entire cooling system. Very little cost and it works.
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Re: Anyone ever used CLR to flush / clean a radiator
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I can tell you from experience that CLR works NOTHING like it is shown on TV. The dip & clean demonstration they depict is a complete farce.
I will also say this: I had a 78 Super Coupe back in the later 80's & the engine always ran hot - something was not right with the cooling system, also the coolant always was brown even after flushing the system & using new coolant. Radiator looked good internally, but I pulled it anyway & had a radiator shop boil it out & pressure test it, then reinstalled along with a new thermostat & water pump. SAME scenario - running hot & dirty looking coolant. Finally on a slow day, we pulled the engine due to a freeze plug that was leaking - it was one of the ones that you could not do with the engine sitting in the cradle. So the plan was to replace all the freeze plugs with new ones, clean & paint the motor & the exhaust manifolds, etc. - reinstall. Upon knocking out the large freeze plugs on both sides, we discovered SO MUCH sediment in the passages - like mud. We hosed it all out & a LOT of crap completely flushed out pretty quickly & easily til the water ran clear. Installed new freeze plugs, painted the motor & reinstalled. This completely took care of the issue. I'll tell you this, there is no way you can effectively flush a motor that contains sediment unless you pull the freeze plugs. This was the ticket. Ive not rulled out popping a few freeze plugs out the coolant does turn a light brown color pretty quick I know 190s is not hot. But my fear is once the ac is operational and I get out on days at 100 temps, or more .,,,,,,, There is going to be a problem
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Re: Anyone ever used CLR to flush / clean a radiator
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I can tell you from experience that CLR works NOTHING like it is shown on TV. The dip & clean demonstration they depict is a complete farce.
I will also say this: I had a 78 Super Coupe back in the later 80's & the engine always ran hot - something was not right with the cooling system, also the coolant always was brown even after flushing the system & using new coolant. Radiator looked good internally, but I pulled it anyway & had a radiator shop boil it out & pressure test it, then reinstalled along with a new thermostat & water pump. SAME scenario - running hot & dirty looking coolant. Finally on a slow day, we pulled the engine due to a freeze plug that was leaking - it was one of the ones that you could not do with the engine sitting in the cradle. So the plan was to replace all the freeze plugs with new ones, clean & paint the motor & the exhaust manifolds, etc. - reinstall. Upon knocking out the large freeze plugs on both sides, we discovered SO MUCH sediment in the passages - like mud. We hosed it all out & a LOT of crap completely flushed out pretty quickly & easily til the water ran clear. Installed new freeze plugs, painted the motor & reinstalled. This completely took care of the issue. I'll tell you this, there is no way you can effectively flush a motor that contains sediment unless you pull the freeze plugs. This was the ticket. This is what I was going to say, had this happen on many mopar engines. Adding bad hard water over the years seems to be the culprit.
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Re: Anyone ever used CLR to flush / clean a radiator
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Not sure why you think you have a problem.
185 is perfectly fine, in fact running a 160 thermostat in a street car is not ideal. It sure isn't what the factory specified. Im well aware of this. My concern is the temps seem to continue to rise on expressway speeds . Not to mention once the ac is operating whats that gonna cause . I drove it in again today and plan to take it on a longer hiway jaunt to see what it does this afternoon. I prefer it run cooler than hotter. Especially when we wre getting into summer temps in the low 100s every day.
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Re: Anyone ever used CLR to flush / clean a radiator
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Not sure why you think you have a problem.
185 is perfectly fine, in fact running a 160 thermostat in a street car is not ideal. It sure isn't what the factory specified. The factory was worried about block and ring wear with that recommendation, most motors will make more power at 160F operating temps. than they will with the same tune up at 180F Not really relevant to the issue, which is that running at 180 is not a problem. But to put to rest your old wives tale, engines make the most power warmed up but with the intake charge as cold as possible. A real honest to goodness dyno test with real numbers and everything to back it up, not anecdotal stuff half understood. https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/impp-1107-cooler-engines-make-more-power/
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Re: Anyone ever used CLR to flush / clean a radiator
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Have you checked the exhaust for restrictions? That would cause an increase in coolant temperature, especially at highway speeds. Exhaust is brand new. Removed headers and Went back to iron manifolds with 2.25 pipes from manifolds all the way to the rear bumper. He even put an H pipe system on it
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Re: Anyone ever used CLR to flush / clean a radiator
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Is the radiator correct for the engine-car? Is coming ‘home’ more uphill? Or change of altitude? At speed the fan and shroud mean nothing, you have airflow. Stopped up, fins closed off or not enough surface area the radiator isn’t getting rid of the heat, that simple. A Hi VAC friend told me once that a temp of 210 can drop 30 degrees to 180 faster then 180 to 150 degrees, outside temp differential being the same. So when you say up at 60 and back at 100 that’s a 40 degree change. It’s harder to cool at 100, your water can’t get any cooler than 100, (outside temp) give or take a few degrees. So my guess you have radiator problems, not fan, not shroud
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Re: Anyone ever used CLR to flush / clean a radiator
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Drove it home again today. Same results. going in this morning it runs right on the 160 temp of the thermostat. Ambient temps were mid 60s I think
coming home this afternoon with ambient temps right at 100 it gets to 160 fairly quick, little slower to 180 ish But about 6 or 7 miles on freeway at 70 mph it runs up to a clik under 200. ,,,maybe 198-199 range. Once off hiway it takes maybe 2 or 3 miles and cools back down to upper 180s range Running warm at highway speeds is usually a water flow issue. Poor flowing radiator, wrong pump pulley or pump, thermostat not fully opening, etc. I've used vinegar to flush the cooling system, remove all water/coolant, block drains too, fill with vinegar, warm up, let set overnight, flush and refill with proper coolant mix. One thing I didn't see specifically addressed, is your exhaust flapper opening as it should?
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Re: Anyone ever used CLR to flush / clean a radiator
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Drove it home again today. Same results. going in this morning it runs right on the 160 temp of the thermostat. Ambient temps were mid 60s I think
coming home this afternoon with ambient temps right at 100 it gets to 160 fairly quick, little slower to 180 ish But about 6 or 7 miles on freeway at 70 mph it runs up to a clik under 200. ,,,maybe 198-199 range. Once off hiway it takes maybe 2 or 3 miles and cools back down to upper 180s range Running warm at highway speeds is usually a water flow issue. Poor flowing radiator, wrong pump pulley or pump, thermostat not fully opening, etc. I've used vinegar to flush the cooling system, remove all water/coolant, block drains too, fill with vinegar, warm up, let set overnight, flush and refill with proper coolant mix. One thing I didn't see specifically addressed, is your exhaust flapper opening as it should? exhaust valve is frozen open position
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Re: Anyone ever used CLR to flush / clean a radiator
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Is the radiator correct for the engine-car? Is coming ‘home’ more uphill? Or change of altitude? At speed the fan and shroud mean nothing, you have airflow. Stopped up, fins closed off or not enough surface area the radiator isn’t getting rid of the heat, that simple. A Hi VAC friend told me once that a temp of 210 can drop 30 degrees to 180 faster then 180 to 150 degrees, outside temp differential being the same. So when you say up at 60 and back at 100 that’s a 40 degree change. It’s harder to cool at 100, your water can’t get any cooler than 100, (outside temp) give or take a few degrees. So my guess you have radiator problems, not fan, not shroud altitude change is approx 800 ft, rise in the afternoon . This is spread over 25 miles give or take. So I doubt thats enough to make a difference My other car will never get over 180 MAX the same exact route using this exact thermostat Im going to pull the radiator this weekend and ck it over. also plan to pull water pump and ck vane count . , while I have it drained . Might pop a few freeze out plugs and flush the block as well All pulleys are factory stock My gut is telling me Deep down I have a feeling its radiator flow issue.
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Re: Anyone ever used CLR to flush / clean a radiator
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Drove it home again today. Same results. going in this morning it runs right on the 160 temp of the thermostat. Ambient temps were mid 60s I think
coming home this afternoon with ambient temps right at 100 it gets to 160 fairly quick, little slower to 180 ish But about 6 or 7 miles on freeway at 70 mph it runs up to a clik under 200. ,,,maybe 198-199 range. Once off hiway it takes maybe 2 or 3 miles and cools back down to upper 180s range Running warm at highway speeds is usually a water flow issue.Poor flowing radiator, wrong pump pulley or pump, thermostat not fully opening, etc. I've used vinegar to flush the cooling system, remove all water/coolant, block drains too, fill with vinegar, warm up, let set overnight, flush and refill with proper coolant mix. One thing I didn't see specifically addressed, is your exhaust flapper opening as it should? And will add, airflow restricted ( radiator or condenser full of bugs etc.) blocked or missing seals ( hood, sides etc.). Inefficient or too small of a core. is this a new problem? a bit more info on the history, engine size, 22 or 26" radiator etc. might also help
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