Re: To stroke or not to stroke??
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The only added expense when rebuilding the engine is a crankshaft. Why mess around with a 50+ year old crankshaft? I see no reason not to do it.
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Re: To stroke or not to stroke??
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The only added expense when rebuilding the engine is a crankshaft. Why mess around with a 50+ year old crankshaft? I see no reason not to do it. to add to Jeffs comment, more torque means a sweeter running low rpm motor. My choice would be as big a stroke crank as will fit in my oil system plans. Do a search on what will fit if you plan on an internal (stock) pickup. 4.375 might clear , but i am not sure. Cam choice should match the restrictive intake and exhaust, focussing on torque. It may be best to go custom on the cam, and it may be as tame as 228 at . 050 and less than . 500 lift. The end result should be like a stock 440 on steroids! Brutal torque, shifts at or below 5000 rpm. FUN!
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Re: To stroke or not to stroke??
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The only added expense when rebuilding the engine is a crankshaft. Why mess around with a 50+ year old crankshaft? I see no reason not to do it. to add to Jeffs comment, more torque means a sweeter running low rpm motor. My choice would be as big a stroke crank as will fit in my oil system plans. Do a search on what will fit if you plan on an internal (stock) pickup. 4.375 might clear , but i am not sure. Cam choice should match the restrictive intake and exhaust, focussing on torque. It may be best to go custom on the cam, and it may be as tame as 228 at . 050 and less than . 500 lift. The end result should be like a stock 440 on steroids! Brutal torque, shifts at or below 5000 rpm. FUN! 4.250 stroke is about max. Since the 4.250 crank uses 2.20 Chevy rod journals, there is less fitment issues than a 4.150 stroke crank, and Mopar rod journals. 512ci is a perfect size street engine. More cubes, and torque, mean you can use a higher gear ratio as well.
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Re: To stroke or not to stroke??
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With stockish heads, what you will gain is TORQUE. And lots of it. Not so much gain in acceleration.
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Re: To stroke or not to stroke??
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With stockish heads, what you will gain is TORQUE. And lots of it. Not so much gain in acceleration. And just move the peaks down lower. If this isn't a good effort at a stock appearing type of deal, then I'd have no issue keeping the stock stroke. The stock heads and intake are strangling 440 cubes to begin with.
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Re: To stroke or not to stroke??
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Stock 440’s are pretty quickly limited by the heads as soon as minor induction and exhaust improvements are made. I would go ahead with the stroker crank but also port the heads, and bump the compression a bit while you are at it.
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Re: To stroke or not to stroke??
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Agree with the above from personal experience, except my 406" street 360 DID accelerate a lot better, even with basically stock heads. Did a nice valve job & port-match, otherwise very stock except it already had headers. Pulled 17 MPG @ 70; 3.21 gear, 28" tire, '74 Duster, & ran AC too. Engle HFT with about .470/.504 lift, 214/224 @ .050. The more expansive answer depends on budget, the rest of the combo, and use. The stock heads are the limiting factor, and for stock-appearing BBs I like ported Stealth heads. Less stock-appearing to sharp eyes is a Performer RPM, but I've removed the Eddy lettering on those on a couple 440s. You can move the torque curve & peak around a bit with stroke, it's pretty much longer = lower.
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Re: To stroke or not to stroke??
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Re: To stroke or not to stroke??
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Imo, the only real hurdle for using a stroker crank in a stock appearing pump gas street BB is the lack of off the shelf quench dome pistons if you’re trying to use open chamber heads. Sure, you can have some customs made, but who wants $1200 pistons in a mild built like that?
Just get warmed up to the idea of closed chamber aftermarket heads, and all is good.
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Re: To stroke or not to stroke??
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Looking for some input...
If I'm building a stock appearing 440 (original intake/heads/exhaust) with an upgraded 750-850 cfm Holley carb, does it make sense to do a stroker kit? The block had to be bored .030 already. I don't want to spend the extra $$ on the stroker kit if I am limiting the capacity of the engine with these stock components. I would use the stock stroke bottom end with higher compression pistons and spend the money on a set of aftermarket heads. The 440 has more than enough torque for any street car.
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Re: To stroke or not to stroke??
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stroker motor any day.why stay with a boring stock stroke IMO, because if it's on a budget and staying with stock heads/intake/exhaust........ keeping those stock components and putting a longer arm in it would only make it more boring or, appropriate for a tow truck. Stock 440 is already a lower rpm/torque engine. If on a budget and you have a reciprocating assembly already, I would spend the money on head porting and cam upgrade long before keeping those stock and increasing displacement.
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Re: To stroke or not to stroke??
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Since there are some widely differing opinions on stroke, i ran a simulation on Engine Anyliser. Basically the more stroke the merrior between 1500 and 4000 rpm, right where most street driving is going to be. If you want to get crazy, a 4.5 stroke crank went up to 510 ft lbs tq at 3000 rpm versus 400 at stock stroke. The cam was critical. Duration at 220 to 224 on both sides worked well. Peak hp landed at 4250 with a 4.25 stroke. These calcs were done assuming stock everything but cam and carb. An engine built like this would need a very tight converter like a 2200 to 2400 stall. 3.55 max rear gears, as it runs out of breath at 5000. The key to best performance would be invest in some aftermarket stock appearing heads with a little bowl work done on them. Some tricks to a stock intake might pay great dividends, (open plenum?) And the best flowing mufflers are a must to not choke off the top end power.
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