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Re: Virginia Signs into Law Anti-Hobby Exhaust Noise Bill [Re: CYACOP] #3034048
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Originally Posted by CYACOP
Complaining about an event that lasts about ten seconds, quite harmless and soon forgotten doesn't make a lot of sense either.


posted by someone who doesn't live near a highway. especially a INTERSECTION. that 10 seconds becomes several minutes depending on traffic. now multiply that 1 motorcycle by 100+ going on a group ride. now that 10 seconds becomes 30-40 minutes sometimes in excess of 1 HOUR of constant nasty Harley exhaust noise being revved up and down when waiting at the intersection.
worse yet the biker bar is stop to one of those poker runs with 100+ bikes driving by. now i get to listen to , loud obnoxious exhaust noise for a ENTIRE DAY of this crap.
if they actually had mufflers this wouldn't be a problem.


i actually did get the bar owners attention when i parked out side his bar with my supercharged 08 mustang that makes 650rwhp with 3" exhaust cutouts that were opened directly in front of his door that was open. needless to say it louder than most of those motorcycles. i let the exhaust rip for a good 20 seconds before the entire bar cleared out with them whining about the noise. this lead to me finally getting a open discussion with the bar owner. he actually sat by my house for about 30 minutes and agreed it was a problem. after this discussion things improved a bit and he doesn't hold as many events, asks the bikers to take different routes and asks them not to rev up the bikes at intersections to respect the neighborhood residents.

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Re: Virginia Signs into Law Anti-Hobby Exhaust Noise Bill [Re: Mr T2U] #3034064
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I guess I better not get into this discussion. I own 3 Harley's with loud exhaust,. A Dodge 2500 Diesel with 6 inch lift, stacks and 37 inch tires and My 68 Charger has Glasspacks.!!!!LOL
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P.S. I think barking dogs are a lot more annoying than my vehicles.


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Re: Virginia Signs into Law Anti-Hobby Exhaust Noise Bill [Re: Brad_Haak] #3034083
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Muffler/exhaust science has now advanced to the level
that you can have a factory-like quiet exhaust
with no more than 2% Horsepower loss,
and that is above 5000 rpm, wide open throttle.
Below 3500 rpm the HP is less than 1%

The vast majority of Dynos cannot reliably repeat measurements at 1% variance.

A well designed “quiet” exhaust can produce more peak Horsepower than a straight pipe,
not counting “tuned length zoomies”

Re: Virginia Signs into Law Anti-Hobby Exhaust Noise Bill [Re: Mr T2U] #3034094
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As mentioned earlier, it's not all about a loud vehicle but more about the driver/rider. A loud vehicle at cruise is a lot less annoying than one that is being throttled; case in point, Harley riders who think it's cool to blip the throttle every time the clutch is disengaged and continuously blip the throttle while sitting still...obnoxious noise for the sake of noise. Learned behavior.


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Re: Virginia Signs into Law Anti-Hobby Exhaust Noise Bill [Re: John_Kunkel] #3034188
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The answer for everyone and even motorcycles with a cigarette lighter, Bluetooth and earphones or helmet speakers via Bluetooth and FM.


Re: Virginia Signs into Law Anti-Hobby Exhaust Noise Bill [Re: A12] #3034454
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It is illegal to wear headphones or earplugs over both ears while driving in in most states. If one ear is still exposed to ambient noise, it's noise.


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Re: Virginia Signs into Law Anti-Hobby Exhaust Noise Bill [Re: 360view] #3034471
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Originally Posted by 360view
Muffler/exhaust science has now advanced to the level
that you can have a factory-like quiet exhaust
with no more than 2% Horsepower loss,
and that is above 5000 rpm, wide open throttle.
Below 3500 rpm the HP is less than 1%

The vast majority of Dynos cannot reliably repeat measurements at 1% variance.

A well designed “quiet” exhaust can produce more peak Horsepower than a straight pipe,
not counting “tuned length zoomies”
Did you pull those numbers out of the air?

Re: Virginia Signs into Law Anti-Hobby Exhaust Noise Bill [Re: John_Kunkel] #3034476
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Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
As mentioned earlier, it's not all about a loud vehicle but more about the driver/rider. A loud vehicle at cruise is a lot less annoying than one that is being throttled; case in point, Harley riders who think it's cool to blip the throttle every time the clutch is disengaged and continuously blip the throttle while sitting still...obnoxious noise for the sake of noise. Learned behavior.


Get this a lot in my sub. It's annoying as hell with young kids who are in bed by eight. My car isn't quiet by any stretch, but if you idle it to the house it isn't bad.


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Re: Virginia Signs into Law Anti-Hobby Exhaust Noise Bill [Re: John_Kunkel] #3034480
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Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
It is illegal to wear headphones or earplugs over both ears while driving in in most states. If one ear is still exposed to ambient noise, it's noise.


So my motorcycle helmet earphones are illegal along with my motorcycle helmet that covers my ears? And I never suggested wearing headphones in a vehicle (car/truck) BTW. Thought the cigarette lighter engine sound through the CAR'S interior speakers would lighten things up here just a little.....I guess not? frown

Re: Virginia Signs into Law Anti-Hobby Exhaust Noise Bill [Re: A12] #3034606
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If any of you nay-sayers lived on my street you'd be saying that this law couldn't be enacted soon enough !! I'd love our government to pass this law and while they're at it, put randomly spaced speed bumps all the way down the street.

The speed limit used to be 30 mph but the racing and speeding prompted complaints. So they lowered the limit to 25 ... like that's going to do anything !! In the 20+ years I've lived here I've seem the cops out with radar a handful of times - around 2 in the afternoon - just in time to catch the little old ladies who are late for their hairdresser appointment. The real action starts around 3 when the day shifts end but there is not a cop to be seen then because, well, that's when their shifts change too! And the cops in this city have no balls anyway!

Re: Virginia Signs into Law Anti-Hobby Exhaust Noise Bill [Re: Stanton] #3034618
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Originally Posted by Stanton
If any of you nay-sayers lived on my street you'd be saying that this law couldn't be enacted soon enough !! I'd love our government to pass this law and while they're at it, put randomly spaced speed bumps all the way down the street.

The speed limit used to be 30 mph but the racing and speeding prompted complaints. So they lowered the limit to 25 ... like that's going to do anything !! In the 20+ years I've lived here I've seem the cops out with radar a handful of times - around 2 in the afternoon - just in time to catch the little old ladies who are late for their hairdresser appointment. The real action starts around 3 when the day shifts end but there is not a cop to be seen then because, well, that's when their shifts change too! And the cops in this city have no balls anyway!


A lot of our residential roads were already 25 around here. Now for same reason a a few people wanting something to do they've gotten them to lower it to 18 in more and more areas!! We're on a hill with an intersection at the bottom and years ago they got rid of the 4 way stop because there were too many accidents from people not being able to stop in winter and not being able to get up it. Now people who don't even live up here are pushing to put it back. They complain about road safety yet at the kids baseball diamond down the road they insisted on the city turning the parking lot into a basekball court so now every night of the spring and summer the roads are packed with cars you can barely get by and the parents stand in what's left to socialize argue

Re: Virginia Signs into Law Anti-Hobby Exhaust Noise Bill [Re: 5thAve] #3034708
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The spicket keeps opening more and more, pass one little law, then it’s just one more, then just one more, before long you’ll need permits to drive your car out an about for 30 minutes

Re: Virginia Signs into Law Anti-Hobby Exhaust Noise Bill [Re: Neil] #3034801
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Putting cut-outs on the Cuda, that should make it easier to deal with the noise ordinance enacted by the state.

Re: Virginia Signs into Law Anti-Hobby Exhaust Noise Bill [Re: John_Kunkel] #3034824
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Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
As mentioned earlier, it's not all about a loud vehicle but more about the driver/rider. A loud vehicle at cruise is a lot less annoying than one that is being throttled; case in point, Harley riders who think it's cool to blip the throttle every time the clutch is disengaged and continuously blip the throttle while sitting still...obnoxious noise for the sake of noise. Learned behavior.

I figured they did that to keep it from stalling.


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Re: Virginia Signs into Law Anti-Hobby Exhaust Noise Bill [Re: John_Kunkel] #3034826
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Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
Why does anti-noise legislation equate to anti-hobby? Does one ASSume that all gearheads love obnoxious noise like those cited above?
Perhaps because of this??? "mufflers that use an “excessive or unusual level of noise” and mandates that mufflers must be identical to their factory setting, comparable to factory equipment, approved by the Superintendent, or meets or exceeds standards of SAE International, ANSI, or the U.S. Department of Transportation".

Now I support stifling the obnoxiously loud open exhaust, as others have written, on some of these motorcycles and ricers. They are beyond some aftermarket mods for performance and better sound, and have reached pure torture to the ears on some and pure obnoxiousness. But a tuned exhaust on an old 70's car will not be allowed under this Bill.


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Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
As mentioned earlier, it's not all about a loud vehicle but more about the driver/rider. A loud vehicle at cruise is a lot less annoying than one that is being throttled; case in point, Harley riders who think it's cool to blip the throttle every time the clutch is disengaged and continuously blip the throttle while sitting still...obnoxious noise for the sake of noise. Learned behavior.
Yes John I agree with you here! So annoying. Turn your damn idle up if this is what you have to do to keep it running, which I doubt. Just being obnoxious and "look at me everybody" behavior IMO.


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Re: Virginia Signs into Law Anti-Hobby Exhaust Noise Bill [Re: larrymopar360] #3034840
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Originally Posted by larrymopar360
Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
As mentioned earlier, it's not all about a loud vehicle but more about the driver/rider. A loud vehicle at cruise is a lot less annoying than one that is being throttled; case in point, Harley riders who think it's cool to blip the throttle every time the clutch is disengaged and continuously blip the throttle while sitting still...obnoxious noise for the sake of noise. Learned behavior.
Yes John I agree with you here! So annoying. Turn your damn idle up if this is what you have to do to keep it running, which I doubt. Just being obnoxious and "look at me everybody" behavior IMO.

But it's a Harley so the idle screw is going to back out anyway. laugh2


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Some are silly, a loud offensive noise is just that. We cant cherry pic hogs, lawn mowers, weed eaters and say our cars are ok.

Im good with noise, but it seems the local biker clubhouse might of got raided as its been two quiet weeks here, noticeably nice.

My neighbors are pretty cool, there view is ham it up on the weekends but let people be during the work week.


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Originally Posted by Mr PotatoHead
Some are silly, a loud offensive noise is just that. We cant cherry pic hogs, lawn mowers, weed eaters and say our cars are ok.

Im good with noise, but it seems the local biker clubhouse might of got raided as its been two quiet weeks here, noticeably nice.

My neighbors are pretty cool, there view is ham it up on the weekends but let people be during the work week.


Yes and even on weekends I don't fire up anythong loud, like lawn equipment, before 9 AM.

Re: Virginia Signs into Law Anti-Hobby Exhaust Noise Bill [Re: Dcuda69] #3035087
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Originally Posted by Dcuda69
Enforcement will be tough. Back in 78 my bro bought a Z28 brand new. They pulled him over for lack of a front plate(required in WI) and while he was stopped the cop says"thing's kinda loud too" My brother said" Not sure what ya mean...it has 200 miles on it....if it's too loud you should talk to Chevrolet" lol Cop let him go. This is a huge unenforceable can of worms. They going after Harleys too?


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