Re: Surprised there is still a market for vehicles like this
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04/13/22 10:59 AM
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Look at the home in the background. This isn't something being marketed to the working class.
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Re: Surprised there is still a market for vehicles like this
[Re: SattyNoCar]
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04/13/22 12:23 PM
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From what I have seen around here they aren't having any trouble selling them.
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Re: Surprised there is still a market for vehicles like this
[Re: Bad340fish]
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04/13/22 12:40 PM
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From what I have seen around here they aren't having any trouble selling them. 100% TRUTH in this area as well. They are a v8/hybrid
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Re: Surprised there is still a market for vehicles like this
[Re: Dart 500]
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04/13/22 02:25 PM
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It's a VERY profitable market segment. IIRC at one time at least, GM's profit margin on Suburban was higher than the already astronomical profit margin Cadillac Eldorado. With the Expedition Max an also ran there may be an opportunity for Stellantis to pick up significant market share from GM. If anything negative regarding reliability comes out, it's all over, big gamble.
Comment from a buyer, he makes the same value comparison I've made:
"Purchased a Wagoneer series 3 (not the grand) for the wife in December, sticker was $90,200 completely loaded. Some may say that’s high but I can tell you looking at GMC, and Cadillac getting even close to the options I have in my series 3 put both of them closer to $105 and both still have less tow capacity and far less quality as my Wagoneer. We are now 1 month in this Wagoneer and still find options and electronics we did not know we had. My only complaint is the monitors in the rear seats which are based on the amazon firestick platform so far in MY opinion is horrible. In one month the monitors have froze several times and we will be calling Wagoneer about this if it happens again. Sorry but for $90k the entertainment for the kids shouldn’t freeze up this much. Other than that the Wagoneer is amazing and I would say there is really NO OTHER suv with as much quality yet than this thing. I own a 2020 ram HO so I can’t compare the towing with that but my wife traded in our 2019 Nissan Titan XD for the Wagoneer 3. Comparing bumper pull with that I would say it is impressive for an suv on our trailer. My trailer is a 20foot with a 50hp tractor for our ranch. About 8800 with attachments and 50 gallons of diesel on the deck.."
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Re: Surprised there is still a market for vehicles like this
[Re: a12rag]
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04/13/22 02:44 PM
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Seems like regular playbook for Chrysler . . .look at the 70 Barracuda/Challenger . . . brought in at end of musclecar era . . . or the lack of Dakota midsize truck now . . . OR, only 2 models for Chrysler (300 & Pacifica) . . . who is steering the ship ?!?!? . . .
GM has pretty much had that big SUV space to itself for a while . . . guess it's better late than never . . .???? Agreed, looks a lot like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. 1994, or maybe the mid 1980's was when they should've gotten in on this. Lots of people weren't buying Ramchargers anymore because they wanted a 4 door SUV. I cannot recall the excuse they gave for not doing it while introducing the Durango?
'68 Fury Convertible '69 300 Convertible '15 Durango 5.7 Hemi '16 300 S Hemi
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Re: Surprised there is still a market for vehicles like this
[Re: 3hundred]
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04/13/22 03:09 PM
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It's a VERY profitable market segment. IIRC at one time at least, GM's profit margin on Suburban was higher than the already astronomical profit margin Cadillac Eldorado. With the Expedition Max an also ran there may be an opportunity for Stellantis to pick up significant market share from GM. If anything negative regarding reliability comes out, it's all over, big gamble.
Comment from a buyer, he makes the same value comparison I've made:
"Purchased a Wagoneer series 3 (not the grand) for the wife in December, sticker was $90,200 completely loaded. Some may say that’s high but I can tell you looking at GMC, and Cadillac getting even close to the options I have in my series 3 put both of them closer to $105 and both still have less tow capacity and far less quality as my Wagoneer. We are now 1 month in this Wagoneer and still find options and electronics we did not know we had. My only complaint is the monitors in the rear seats which are based on the amazon firestick platform so far in MY opinion is horrible. In one month the monitors have froze several times and we will be calling Wagoneer about this if it happens again. Sorry but for $90k the entertainment for the kids shouldn’t freeze up this much. Other than that the Wagoneer is amazing and I would say there is really NO OTHER suv with as much quality yet than this thing. I own a 2020 ram HO so I can’t compare the towing with that but my wife traded in our 2019 Nissan Titan XD for the Wagoneer 3. Comparing bumper pull with that I would say it is impressive for an suv on our trailer. My trailer is a 20foot with a 50hp tractor for our ranch. About 8800 with attachments and 50 gallons of diesel on the deck.." I am sure the profits on them are substantial, its based on the Ram 1500, which also means the discounts will be deep on them once the new car supply gets back to where it needs to be. They are late to the party though no matter how you slice it
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Re: Surprised there is still a market for vehicles like this
[Re: Mastershake340]
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04/13/22 06:57 PM
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Shoot we'll be lucky if the new car market ever gets where it needs to be again. Component shortages, suppliers getting shut down in places like Ukraine even. China shutting down cities and ports for Covid still. I work for a truck OEM and during a employee meeting recently they were talking about commodity pricing. For example steel was up 250% in a year and other components were almost as bad. The days of nice rebates and negotiating10 grand below sticker are history IMHO. It'll get there, they are already building chip factories here and will self-make anything else they need. Not sure of the exact numbers but I think they are off about 3 million sales, which ironically was the same as 2007 when GM and Chrysler put up the white flag. Remember back then when GM was so shamed about the hummer they axed the brand, and look at what Jeep just built lol. Every 10 years it seems we go into melt down mode
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Re: Surprised there is still a market for vehicles like this
[Re: volaredon]
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04/13/22 09:14 PM
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I wish they would have built something like an old sedan delivery even into the 90s. No way in HE11 I would spend nearly what they want even for an entry level new wagoneer. Still more than a I paid for my house back in 98 and I am still paying for that. We have an 01 Durango that is about to hit 300k, I replaced the original 360 in it at 258k and rebuilt the trans at the same time. I bought that Durango back in 2013 because we really wanted another XJ Cherokee, but I could have bought 3 Durango's for the price of 1 XJ. The Durango is too small for some things, usually it's about the right size. Not interested in any other brands of vehicles besides Dodge. Hope to find another 98-03 Durango with a clean body and a 318/360 (don't want a 4.7) while hopefully getting the current Durango to 400k. Will never buy new. Ugly but look into the last gen Durangos and Chrysler Aspens, can be had for a song these days and 5.7 hemi power
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Re: Surprised there is still a market for vehicles like this
[Re: Dart 500]
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04/14/22 12:15 AM
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I was at my Chrysler dealer when they got their first one in. It sold before it was backed off the transport.
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Re: Surprised there is still a market for vehicles like this
[Re: MarkZ]
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04/14/22 09:29 AM
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Look at the home in the background. This isn't something being marketed to the working class. Bingo! We have a winner! As long as there are the 10%er's and the 1%er's in this country....these big SUVs will continue to sell all day long.
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Re: Surprised there is still a market for vehicles like this
[Re: Dart 500]
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04/14/22 02:30 PM
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Perfect timing for chrysler! Sit back and watch GMC sell millions and millions of suburbans for 30 strong years then when gas hits $4 and $5 a gallon THEN and only then come out with one to compete!
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