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Re: Degreeing a cam with asymmetrical lobes [Re: fast68plymouth] #3021871
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Something else Bullet told me yesterday has me wondering if they know what their talking about. They say for p/v clearance that .060/.060 is ok. .060 sounds tight on exhaust from what I have been reading. Steve Morris says intake .050/.080 exhaust as minimums.I am way more inclined to believe Morris on this issue.

Re: Degreeing a cam with asymmetrical lobes [Re: dvw] #3022054
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Originally Posted by dvw
You'll never no what's best unless you try different spots.
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This.

Unless you put it in, measure it, test it, change it and test again, it is just a fruitless weedy discussion.

Thinking that the recommended centerline is actually the best centerline is a bit of a stretch, let alone argueing about 0.050", 0.200" or 0.050" over the nose methods, IMO.

My Com Cam instructions says to use over the nose equal amounts, fwiw.

Re: Degreeing a cam with asymmetrical lobes [Re: mopar dave] #3022061
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Machine shop was busy, so i installed the exhaust valve, checking margin with blue dykem or whatever its called. Looked good to me as well as the install height being the same, so mounted the head back up and remeasured with checking springs. I get .051 on intake and .088 on exhaust. Cam is in at 105. Looks like the best i'm gonna do, but maybe a 1.5 rocker would get me a bit more clearance as Dwayne suggested. The valve events measured are as i stated before, intake open 29 close 57, exhaust open 71 close 29.5. The exhaust closing point is off by 4* not sure why as the other events are 1.5* different.

Intake atdc Exhaust btdc
0*-.082 0*-.120
5*-.057 5*-.097
6*-.056 6*-.092
7*-.051 7*-.090
8*-.052 8*-.088
9*-.052 9*-.088
10*-.054 10*-.089
15*-.070 11*-.090
I will install the roller springs and remeasure again with clay tomorrow.

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Re: Degreeing a cam with asymmetrical lobes [Re: mopar dave] #3022078
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Your golden with .050 intake and .080 on the exhaust, don't forget that the aluminum head will get taller when warmed up moving the valves further away from the pistons up scope grin
Trust me on that, up I know guys that circulate hot water through their engine builds that have seen and measure the difference shruggy It will get more clearance warm or hot, not less scope


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Re: Degreeing a cam with asymmetrical lobes [Re: fast68plymouth] #3022093
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Re: Degreeing a cam with asymmetrical lobes [Re: Diplomat360] #3022203
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Originally Posted by Diplomat360
Originally Posted by mopar dave
Also, bullet says not to use the lifter bore tool for measuring any cam specs. If roller, must use a lifter because of the wheel size. Mine are .810 wheels. Doing this does seem to get more accurate measures.

Uh-huh...couldn't agree more...that fancy looking CompCams tool caused me a massive headache as I attempted to degree my mild hydraulic roller. Eventually, degreeing off of an actual roller lifter got me the matching numbers.


Agree. The Comp lifter bore tool is good for centerline method where lifter diameter / roller size just needs to be the same on each side of max lift, but not good for open/closing events. For opening / closing events use the lifter that will be run.

Re: Degreeing a cam with asymmetrical lobes [Re: 451Mopar] #3022214
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The exhaust is closest before tdc. I don't understand the chart you posted. The piston chases the exhaust, it cant be closer after tdc. Once piston hits tdc they are going opposite directions. Are the ex number before tdc?

Re: Degreeing a cam with asymmetrical lobes [Re: B1MAXX] #3022216
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sorry for the confusion, i thought anyone would figure it out. the ex side should also be read from bottom to top to make things clear.

Re: Degreeing a cam with asymmetrical lobes [Re: mopar dave] #3022226
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Interesting. I never saw a cam card with different rocker ratios. 1.6 on the intake and 1.5 on the exhaust.
0.430 x 1.6 = 0.688
0.430 x 1.5 - 0.645
Typically I had to calculate the lift for the ratio I am using if the cam card was for 1.5.
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Re: Degreeing a cam with asymmetrical lobes [Re: mopar dave] #3022306
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Originally Posted by mopar dave
sorry for the confusion, i thought anyone would figure it out. the ex side should also be read from bottom to top to make things clear.


no problem just making sure. up

Re: Degreeing a cam with asymmetrical lobes [Re: B1MAXX] #3022441
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Its cool, just want to be clear. The clay measure was kind of a bust. I measured .114 on intake and .122 on exhaust using clay. Not sure why, the clay is firm and not spongy at all. I'm done measuring. Its now time to get this back together. Thanks guys

Re: Degreeing a cam with asymmetrical lobes [Re: mopar dave] #3022446
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Originally Posted by mopar dave
Its cool, just want to be clear. The clay measure was kind of a bust. I measured .114 on intake and .122 on exhaust using clay. Not sure why, the clay is firm and not spongy at all. I'm done measuring. Its now time to get this back together. Thanks guys
So your radial clearance was good also?I know if the clay is laid too thick it will curl around the valve when pressed.


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Re: Degreeing a cam with asymmetrical lobes [Re: Clanton] #3022450
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I had .060 radial. Didn't see any issues there.

Re: Degreeing a cam with asymmetrical lobes [Re: mopar dave] #3022482
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That is exactly what I expected.

Re: Degreeing a cam with asymmetrical lobes [Re: B1MAXX] #3022590
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Re: Degreeing a cam with asymmetrical lobes [Re: fast68plymouth] #3022602
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Those guys are sharp. I did try this last week, but my LSM spring pressure checker is too large to get a dial indicator in there. I will give that another try next week when i have some more time.

Re: Degreeing a cam with asymmetrical lobes [Re: mopar dave] #3022614
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There is nothing wrong with clay, as long you don't over do it/ do it correctly. People use plastiguage don't they?

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