Gas going to $8 in Cali, need fuel injection choices.
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Got the call from my refinery buddy telling me gas is going to $8 a gallon and suggested I do my fuel injection conversion early on my 1972 340 Roadrunner and 1972 Charger Rallye with 400hp small block. I’m not sure what I need, do I get just a carb version like sniper from Holley, or are there diffrent choices? I won’t save a bunch on mileage, but when I do long trips to shows, at least I can save a few bucks while getting better mileage and easier to operate fuel system. Specks:
340 stock rebuilt to factory specks with 50, on rebuild
5.9 Magnum crate engine with cam upgrade to 400hp and on 800 miles on the engine. Any ideas are appreciated.
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Re: Gas going to $9 in Cali, need fuel injection choices.
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Do you just want efi in general? Unless you daily a car it will be a long time before you recoup the cost, even at 9 bucks a gallon. Might be just as well to save the coins for gas.
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Re: Gas going to $9 in Cali, need fuel injection choices.
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If you want TB fuel injection get it because you want it. Maybe tell the wife it will save you gas. But the $1500 plus for the unit and the supplemental (and Mandatory?) in tank fuel pump and return line will buy a lot of gas for you carbureted mopar.
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Re: Gas going to $9 in Cali, need fuel injection choices.
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If you want FI then buy it, but do it because you want it. Emotional decisions like that are really OK when it comes to these vehicles. There doesn't need to be a fuel savings justification, whether legitimate or not. For a real 10,000 mile per year driver....a properly tuned smog era spreadbore (tq/qj) is a nice balance and costs next to nothing in comparison, but many are bored with such things and need something different to hold their interest....The appeal of FI is obvious and it's great that there are several choices out there.
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Re: Gas going to $9 in Cali, need fuel injection choices.
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Do you just want efi in general? Unless you daily a car it will be a long time before you recoup the cost, even at 9 bucks a gallon. Might be just as well to save the coins for gas. to be honest, I am terrible with carbs due to hearing problems which prevent me from doing a proper tune by ear. Also, the improved driving response, slight improved mileage and better starting in different weather conditions makes it a plus upgrade. When I drive my mopes, I drove them alot to relax and can easily put 1-3 tanks worth of fuel a week during summer.
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Re: Gas going to $9 in Cali, need fuel injection choices.
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The greatest reward from EFI is the ease of starting in all weather or after the car sits for several days. What a huge difference that made to me in my '89 Diplomat police car. I can not drive it for a week and not have to pour gas down the carb. Or with the cold weather starts right up and I don't have to keep pumping so that it doesn't stall out.
I like the FiTech system I have BUT if nobody makes a tank for your car to sump the pump then you will have to use their "Fuel Command Center" and they can be problematic when mounted under hood and exposed to high heat. I went through two of them but seem to have it working well now. I have insulated or maybe I should say isolated it best possible from heat and seems to have solved issues. All this said, I agree with others in that I don't think it's worth doing just to save money because these systems are expensive. It is however worth doing for drivability.
Facts are stubborn things.
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Re: Gas going to $9 in Cali, need fuel injection choices.
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my "economy remedy" is a Thermo-Quad and Aeromotive electric pump with a return line. easy start after sitting by turning on key for a few seconds, starts great after hot soak. however, it took me a long time to become intimate with those carbs, and metering rods and jets may be hard to come by. with that said though, my thoughts are it's as close to FI as you can get using a carb. just my opinion, your mileage[ ] will vary.
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Re: Gas going to $9 in Cali, need fuel injection choices.
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electric pump with a return line. They work amazingly well.
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Re: Gas going to $9 in Cali, need fuel injection choices.
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The greatest reward from EFI is the ease of starting in all weather or after the car sits for several days. What a huge difference that made to me in my '89 Diplomat police car. I can not drive it for a week and not have to pour gas down the carb. Or with the cold weather starts right up and I don't have to keep pumping so that it doesn't stall out.
I like the FiTech system I have BUT if nobody makes a tank for your car to sump the pump then you will have to use their "Fuel Command Center" and they can be problematic when mounted under hood and exposed to high heat. I went through two of them but seem to have it working well now. I have insulated or maybe I should say isolated it best possible from heat and seems to have solved issues. All this said, I agree with others in that I don't think it's worth doing just to save money because these systems are expensive. It is however worth doing for drivability. Larry I have to ask cold weather in central Florida? As far as starting after sitting goes a can of ether will do the same thing as a $2000 fuel injection system in that regard. Just have to let the carb warm up to do its thing.
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Re: Gas going to $9 in Cali, need fuel injection choices.
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The greatest reward from EFI is the ease of starting in all weather or after the car sits for several days. What a huge difference that made to me in my '89 Diplomat police car. I can not drive it for a week and not have to pour gas down the carb. Or with the cold weather starts right up and I don't have to keep pumping so that it doesn't stall out.
I like the FiTech system I have BUT if nobody makes a tank for your car to sump the pump then you will have to use their "Fuel Command Center" and they can be problematic when mounted under hood and exposed to high heat. I went through two of them but seem to have it working well now. I have insulated or maybe I should say isolated it best possible from heat and seems to have solved issues. All this said, I agree with others in that I don't think it's worth doing just to save money because these systems are expensive. It is however worth doing for drivability. Larry I have to ask cold weather in central Florida? As far as starting after sitting goes a can of ether will do the same thing as a $2000 fuel injection system in that regard. Just have to let the carb warm up to do its thing. There are plenty of cold days during Winter. And as far as ether, that gets to be a real PITA especially with the Power Wagon. It only takes three days and then I have to pour gas down carb after three days. I've heard ether not good btw maybe something about upper cyl protection? I do like Moparx solution! I'd forgotten about people installing the electric pump.
Facts are stubborn things.
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Re: Gas going to $9 in Cali, need fuel injection choices.
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If you have to pour gas down the carb to get it to start after setting a few days, that is not a carb specific problem. I have seen numerous fuel injection systems have a stuck check valve that lets the system drain. And that happens after just a few hours. You then either have to crank and crank and crank or sit and cycle the key until the system pressurizes. Either way, there is only a single component causing the problem and neither requires a complete system change to address.
But the problem would serve as good an excuse as any if one just wants to install an EFI system.
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Re: Gas going to $9 in Cali, need fuel injection choices.
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Dave; all I can tell you is that I have had three carburated Mopars (two currently owned) within last few years. All three, with 10% ethanol required gas down the carb after sitting more than three days. My Power Wagon had the Edelbrock 1406 and then a Thermoquad and no change. After the Thermoquad swap I filled tank with E free 89 octane and was surprised still no change. My others were Aspen E58 with TQ and the Diplomat use to have Quickfuel carb then I went with EFI.
I can't explain why I can only tell you same thing with the three and they otherwise ran/run very well. I will say, looking back, I kind of wish I had installed an electric pump instead of spending the money and seen how that worked first but turning the key and having my Diplomat start right up after two weeks of sitting sometimes (which I really try not to do often) is really nice.
Facts are stubborn things.
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Re: Gas going to $9 in Cali, need fuel injection choices.
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I'd buy an OD trans or gear vendor unit before going to EFI myself. If strictly seeking fuel savings I agree this would be a much bigger help.
Facts are stubborn things.
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Re: Gas going to $9 in Cali, need fuel injection choices.
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Dave; all I can tell you is that I have had three carburated Mopars (two currently owned) within last few years. All three, with 10% ethanol required gas down the carb after sitting more than three days. My Power Wagon had the Edelbrock 1406 and then a Thermoquad and no change. After the Thermoquad swap I filled tank with E free 89 octane and was surprised still no change. My others were Aspen E58 with TQ and the Diplomat use to have Quickfuel carb then I went with EFI.
I can't explain why I can only tell you same thing with the three and they otherwise ran/run very well. I will say, looking back, I kind of wish I had installed an electric pump instead of spending the money and seen how that worked first but turning the key and having my Diplomat start right up after two weeks of sitting sometimes (which I really try not to do often) is really nice. A long time ago, I used to have the same problem that you are experiencing. The CarterBrocks are famous for going dry while setting. Did it long before ethanol came along, too. And the Thermoquad has a gasket under the fuel bowl, another known problem area. Another issue is the heat cross-over boiling the gas in the carb. I block them off, but if you feel they are necessary to thwart intake icing, then use good insulators under the carb. But it is the particular style of carbs that is the primary issue, not carburation in general. With the exception of an occasional bad gasket, I have never had the Holley style of carburetor go dry like the CarterBrock style. Another good choice today would be the new Street Demon. In other words, many, many different carburetors and/or a couple of other changes (which could include an electric fuel pump) would address your issues. And all of them are far simpler and far less expensive than EFI.
Master, again and still
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