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Re: 269/275 solid roller install [Re: lancer493] #3019857
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Thank you for the advice on new pistons. Not really too hip on rebuilding this engine. I wasted a lot of my time and others here with the bad data because I wasn’t getting the degree wheel zero correctly. Now that the head is off I can focus on figuring things out with accurate numbers. I may have to order a new cam that will fit at least, But being that one head is off, wouldn’t be too much trouble pulling the other and replacing with something that works well for everyone, 270’s. I have all the parts now for the 572 Hemi and it will be the last engine I build. This one just needs to get thru 3 or 4 more seasons. You would think a 511 with 12.5:1 compression and a head the size of the Victors would make 700hp easy. Mine don’t. Another guy over on B Bodies has the same set up , a 512 with same heads, but 13:1 and a big roller runs same times I do, maybe a 10th better. Still searching for a head that fits my combo. Thanks for all your time guys.

Re: 269/275 solid roller install [Re: mopar dave] #3019890
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How many valves are bent? My personal preference is Ferrea,Manley. I have used a lot of cheap SS valves also, but not on any "good" setups. If the intakes touched the pistons check them close. Start by pouring alcohol in there, and look for bleeders. Die grind clearance where needed on the pistons. Can you take a pic of the spot where they touched on the pistons? Did you run some clay through it? What did it look like?

Re: 269/275 solid roller install [Re: B1MAXX] #3019891
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I just came from the garage, thought i would check a few things before heading off to work. I pulled the exhaust valve to measure it. Think i will just replace it with another Edelbrock valve, whatever they use. I poured some cleaner in the intake port and no leaks there. You can see on the right side of the intake brow that the valve was just touching that outer edge and some more deep into the brow. You can say i paid for an education in all of this. It will be awhile before i can get back to it.

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Re: 269/275 solid roller install [Re: mopar dave] #3019897
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Take a minute and gather your thoughts. Absorb the good advice some here have given. From my perspective, you are not far from screwing it back together and meeting your goals. Personally, I would have NO PROBLEM buying that home-made piston fly-cutter and making room. I'd bet you'll only need .030 IN DEPTH but where you'd gain room is radially. The amount you'll affect balance is INSIGNIFICANT. And the amount compression would 'suffer' would be the same (INSIGNIFICANT!). A bunch of people that have given advice, do this stuff for a living and I don't think their advice is being considered or absorbed. You do nice work, you aren't as far off as you think meeting your goals with the parts you have. Some of the theories you hold tight to are holding you back. Get that thing back together and the next time you're beside that Camaro, he'll be watching your rear-end! Based on what I see the camshaft IS a .430 lobe. Don't be so quick to change parts, it is unnecessary. (But that cam might like a better spring, talk later)

Re: 269/275 solid roller install [Re: HardcoreB] #3019917
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I appreciate all the advise I get here, I really do. I will give that more thought as I am not familiar with that tool. I have never cared for these heads I’m using. They should make power similar to a good Indy head, but they don’t and this cam I bought I’m now thinking it might be a bit too big for my combo. I think something like the cam Andy used in his 470 build a while might work a little better. Think it was a 264/268? I have time to think.

Re: 269/275 solid roller install [Re: HardcoreB] #3019919
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..."just as i thought" ...the '430' lobes are a mystery as to which one. Some of these ARE AGGRESSIVE. I wouldn't run anything other than the two I circled with that spring package. What pushrod? Is this pushrod oiled?

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Re: 269/275 solid roller install [Re: HardcoreB] #3019934
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I use a manton .120 ball ball oil thru pushrod. Being that this roller has same lobe lift as the flat tappet at TDC doesn’t sound aggressive at all.

Re: 269/275 solid roller install [Re: mopar dave] #3019958
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The 264/268 roller Andy used is .144@TDC, when installed at 106.

So, that’s not going to buy you any room.

It’s also .446 lobe lift.

My feeling about your heads/combo are this.......
There is no doubt in my mind your current long block(with whatever tweaks might be necessary to provide adequate v/p clearance) would make solidly over 700hp.

Brads std port stock stroke combo made close to 700hp, and I’m sure it could best that mark with just a cam swap to something a little more aggressive.

But that ...... and $1.59 will buy you a cup of coffee.

It does appear from the pic of the piston that the radial clearance of the intake pocket might need to be addressed.

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wouldn’t be too much trouble pulling the other and replacing with something that works well for everyone, 270’s


If you feel like you just have to have them........ just order ‘em up!
Be an interesting test for sure.


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Re: 269/275 solid roller install [Re: fast68plymouth] #3019964
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Put some clay in there, set the lash to.020.see what it shows.

Re: 269/275 solid roller install [Re: B1MAXX] #3020002
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At this point I think I can throw most of the previous numbers out since they are not correct. I will get a new valve in the head and go from there. Thanks

Re: 269/275 solid roller install [Re: fast68plymouth] #3020003
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My thinking was new heads and Andy’s old cam, but it’s just a thought. I spoke with Harland Sharp today, they tell me my current rockers will bolt right up the the 270 heads.

Re: 269/275 solid roller install [Re: mopar dave] #3020005
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Dwayne are you a Trick Flow dealer?

Re: 269/275 solid roller install [Re: mopar dave] #3020007
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I’m not.
And the projected availability doesn’t look fantastic.

However, I saw Mike at B3RE mentioned he had some TF’s in stock.
I believe he was referring to the SB heads....... but it might be worth a call.


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Re: 269/275 solid roller install [Re: fast68plymouth] #3020021
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Assuming the 270’s don’t have raised ports, they look like the best replacement head for my application. Looks like everything will bolt up without buying a bunch more parts . I was hoping you were a dealer, was gonna order and get a full port job. I did see these somewhere offered with CNC porting from MCH.

Re: 269/275 solid roller install [Re: mopar dave] #3020032
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Do you think a 325cc port is too large in a trick flow 270 on a 511 and 6800 shift points?

Re: 269/275 solid roller install [Re: mopar dave] #3020050
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Originally Posted by mopar dave
Do you think a 325cc port is too large in a trick flow 270 on a 511 and 6800 shift points?


No. A 270 head should make a little over 700 hp at 6800 on a 511 short block. A ported intake manifold will pick it up another 15 or 20 hp. You'll need a good carb (big 4150 or 4500), decent compression (12:1 or higher) and a good cam. We've built a lot of 505 or 512 engines with 270 heads and they always make 700+ right around 6800 or 6900 rpm.

Re: 269/275 solid roller install [Re: AndyF] #3020054
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Flow is flow, I bet he doesn't pick up one bit with the trickflows. Nothing in the combo is really changing.

Re: 269/275 solid roller install [Re: HardcoreB] #3020080
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The 186 and 187 is the .200 lift numbers?

Re: 269/275 solid roller install [Re: AndyF] #3020081
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Andy, I use an Indy cast tunnel ram with 2 650’s from Dom.

Re: 269/275 solid roller install [Re: HardcoreB] #3020120
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Originally Posted by HardcoreB
Take a minute and gather your thoughts. Absorb the good advice some here have given. From my perspective, you are not far from screwing it back together and meeting your goals. Personally, I would have NO PROBLEM buying that home-made piston fly-cutter and making room. I'd bet you'll only need .030 IN DEPTH but where you'd gain room is radially. The amount you'll affect balance is INSIGNIFICANT. And the amount compression would 'suffer' would be the same (INSIGNIFICANT!). A bunch of people that have given advice, do this stuff for a living and I don't think their advice is being considered or absorbed. You do nice work, you aren't as far off as you think meeting your goals with the parts you have. Some of the theories you hold tight to are holding you back. Get that thing back together and the next time you're beside that Camaro, he'll be watching your rear-end! Based on what I see the camshaft IS a .430 lobe. Don't be so quick to change parts, it is unnecessary. (But that cam might like a better spring, talk later)


Can't agree more. This thing could be doing wheelies by now with a few bucks invested and much less time spent than responding to this thread.

What happens if you buy new heads and the valves don't align with the reliefs? You waited 6 months and will be cutting the pistons anyway.

You mentioned being unfamiliar with it. Very easy. Cutter goes in place of the valve, piston is at tdc with the circumference taped off and you drop the cutter into the piston by a marked amount, usually takes a few seconds. Result is perfectly aligned valve clearance vs your cylinder head.

Of course do whatever you prefer, just an opinion smile


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