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Re: Are all 6 pack cams low taper design? [Re: lewtot184] #3006776
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all 6bbls had the street hemi spring; whether yellow or green stripe.

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Originally Posted by lewtot184
all 6bbls had the street hemi spring; whether yellow or green stripe.


I think we've shown with the part numbers that this is incorrect.

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Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by lewtot184
all 6bbls had the street hemi spring; whether yellow or green stripe.


I think we've shown with the part numbers that this is incorrect.

apply some logic. why would you need a low taper cam if you didn't have big springs?

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some stuff i found in old paper work.

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Re: Are all 6 pack cams low taper design? [Re: A727Tflite] #3006817
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Originally Posted by Transman
Originally Posted by cudaman1969
Flat faced lifters.. goes against saying lifters have to have a crown don’t it.


I corrected my post, the lifters I have appear to be flat as described.
The cam they ran on (low taper lobes) have wear across the whole width of the lobe but has a higher wear pattern to one side.

I corrected my earlier post where I said the lifters were not flat.

We cool, reason I’m asking is I have a set of Hemi solids (original) that I got in a package deal that are flat and look like new, was going to send off to reface but if that’s the way it’s supposed to be I’m happy.

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Don't mean to sidetrack this but has anyone found a direct replacement for the 2121154 Lubrizol? Note I didn't say equivalent, I said direct replacement.


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Originally Posted by lewtot184
Originally Posted by Sniper
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all 6bbls had the street hemi spring; whether yellow or green stripe.


I think we've shown with the part numbers that this is incorrect.

apply some logic. why would you need a low taper cam if you didn't have big springs?


What logic would that be? In 1969 the 6bbl had it's own unique part number valve spring. The Hemi in 1969 used a different part number valve spring.

In 1970 the Hemi started using the same part number as the 1969/70/71 6bbl spring.

Reality states the Hemi started using the 6bbl valve spring in 1970 and that the 6bbl NEVER used the Hemi spring.

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Great info!!!!! Thanks!

Re: Are all 6 pack cams low taper design? [Re: R/T1968R/T] #3006856
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there is a set of NOS lifters for sale on ebay for the 6 pack cam

Re: Are all 6 pack cams low taper design? [Re: cudaman1969] #3006945
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Originally Posted by cudaman1969
Originally Posted by Transman
Originally Posted by cudaman1969
Flat faced lifters.. goes against saying lifters have to have a crown don’t it.


I corrected my post, the lifters I have appear to be flat as described.
The cam they ran on (low taper lobes) have wear across the whole width of the lobe but has a higher wear pattern to one side.

I corrected my earlier post where I said the lifters were not flat.

We cool, reason I’m asking is I have a set of Hemi solids (original) that I got in a package deal that are flat and look like new, was going to send off to reface but if that’s the way it’s supposed to be I’m happy.


When I checked my parts I find that the Mopar solids from back in the day are flat faced. In original packages that I have. I checked a few sets.
So it sounds like you are golden.

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Woopee, original 68 lifters, you know they have good metal in them. Kinda blows the idea of crowns right out of the water don’t it

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Re: Are all 6 pack cams low taper design? [Re: cudaman1969] #3007022
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Originally Posted by cudaman1969
Woopee, original 68 lifters, you know they have good metal in them. Kinda blows the idea of crowns right out of the water don’t it


If you find an extra one I would be glad to buy it from you - somehow I ended up with 15. mad

Re: Are all 6 pack cams low taper design? [Re: 6PakBee] #3007130
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Originally Posted by 6PakBee
Here is the '69 TSB. Note the comments for the camshaft and the tappets.



This ^ was the announcement for the dealer service departments. Here is the announcement for the Six-Pack Superbees to the dealer salespeople:

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Re: Are all 6 pack cams low taper design? [Re: Sunroofcuda] #3007163
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I love all the old bulletins and stuff, they are fun, but might be best taken with a grain of salt.
They are Marketing documents at the core.
They want you to feel like a technical person when you're reading them, but won't provide any specific technical information.

Try flat lifters today and let me know how that works out....it won't be long, and they will be concave lifters.

This is the same group that sold the 1968 383 high performance by telling us it had "440 heads", as if
that was something novel and amazing. Meanwhile the 2 barrel engine had the same heads....

This is the same group that (later) gave us the heavier "6 pack rods" as a durability upgrade instead of addressing
the problem at the source (the boat anchor heavy pistons).

This is the same group that could have very easily crossbolted every Wedge block after the durability upgrade to the Hemi was
brought into production, but decided it would be better to save 75 cents.

Be careful you don't accept half truths out of love for the brand.

Notice they're saying it's a flat faced lifter but no specification is given.

Notice they're saying the cam lobes have less taper but no specification is given.

No specs=Marketing trash

How much was standard? Not saying.
How much was it reduced? Not saying.
Under what conditions is durability improved? Not saying.

Meh.

Very possible to sell standard lifter having a crown of .0015, and a "flat faced" lifter having a crown of, say .0011 that you purchased from another supplier,
create two different part numbers, and increase durability under one subset of conditions while potentially reducing it under others.
Marketing isn't going to allow you to mention the potential reduced durability at low speeds or wherever the compromise happens to be.
(There is always a compromise....with everything)

If the flat lifter and reduced taper design were so vastly superior under all conditions, why weren't they included in
every 440 HP after the dawn of the 6 pack? Surely it would have reduced warranty claims, but it didn't happen.
Why didn't the 426 HEMI....the ultimate, most expensive engine they had,
also have low taper cam and flat lifters? Why didn't the 383? Because: Marketing Trash.

It's probably more likely the 3 bolt cams were ground by another supplier who gave Chrysler a different taper spec by default,
it passed testing and "there you go: It is now a SPECIAL CAMSHAFT".
I've held the old prints for alot of these kind of parts in my hand, most of them say nothing and leave much to
supplier interpretation.

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Re: Are all 6 pack cams low taper design? [Re: ZIPPY] #3007184
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Zippy, well said - obviously you put a lot of thought into that. BUT, what is in the past can't be changed & it's fun to look at old documents from back-in-the-day, as well as look at old original components & see where we have evolved to.


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Re: Are all 6 pack cams low taper design? [Re: ZIPPY] #3007227
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I think at this point I will use it as a good core for a regrind!

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It would be easy enough to stick the cam in a lathe and run an indicator across the lobes and see what the lobe taper on that old cam really is.


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