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Re: Wheel Bearing Question [Re: 3hundred] #2984453
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turning rotors and drums on a REAL lathe produces way better results than brake lathes do.
i have been doing my own for years now, but not everyone has their own machinist equipment.
just something that has worked out for me.
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Re: Wheel Bearing Question [Re: moparx] #2984504
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Most manufacturers allow .001" to .002" run out on rotor friction surfaces. Quality brake lathes in good condition can meet that. What improvement could be achieved by getting better than that? On most daily driver type vehicles, by the time they need brakes, there is more play in the system than the .001" or .002" run out allowed on the rotors.


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Re: Wheel Bearing Question [Re: 3hundred] #2984670
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I wonder if our current "supply situation" is going to impact the availability and cost of the replace the rotors and drums vs resurfacing movement?. There was a time when usable items were refurbished rather than replaced. I think it was a better time IMO.
BTW I just sold my brake lathe as I am in the process of downsizing and semi-retiring. Interesting to me any way was that it was advertised for 3+ weeks and only 1 response from a guy in Maryland and he wants to have it shipped realcrazy.
While he was donking around, all of a sudden I get 5calls in one day. One guy shows up in 15 minutes lays cash down and says I'll make arrangements to pick it up.OK
Then the guy in Maryland gets all pizzy. I said no deposit no hold, A man showed up with cash and said he would move it. Works for me wink beer

Re: Wheel Bearing Question [Re: DaveRS23] #2984703
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Factory rotors are junk. Even the vaunted Toyotas don’t have good ones. Years ago I simply walked into car quest and asked for the Canada made rotor for whatever I had at the time and that was the end of the issue. Well offshoring took care of that good solution. After years of frustration, I have settled on two options. EBC made in England and some even are made in the USA like they should be. You have to plan ahead and even if you do it can be hard to get them in your hands.

If I can’t wait for those, powerstop Chinese has been ok. It’s just I detest supporting China and do my best to shun them and their bs.

This year we cut it close, but the boat from England finally made it the week things were getting ugly on a car. I estimated maybe 3 days left before it had to be parked. Glad it made it, the EBC stuff has been awesome again.


I can't agree with that broad of a statement. I have seen too many O.E. rotors last the life of the vehicle given that no pads are worn to metal and maybe a turn or two. We just sold a Town and Country that had 240,000 miles and still had the original rotors. Had been turned once, maybe twice, I don't remember. It was one of our work vans we have had for over a decade.

Yes, some O.E rotors are crap, as bad as or worse than parts store pieces. But it is simply not true that they are all 'junk'.


I haven’t heard anybody else talking up factory junk. I do know putting quality parts on ends the warped rotor issue. Both my new and used vehicles, going all the way back to when I started driving. Guys pulling stuff from junkyards are looking to save a buck and aren’t so concerned.


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Re: Wheel Bearing Question [Re: DaveRS23] #2984718
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Originally Posted by DaveRS23


I can't agree with that broad of a statement. I have seen too many O.E. rotors last the life of the vehicle given that no pads are worn to metal and maybe a turn or two. We just sold a Town and Country that had 240,000 miles and still had the original rotors. Had been turned once, maybe twice, I don't remember. It was one of our work vans we have had for over a decade.

Yes, some O.E rotors are crap, as bad as or worse than parts store pieces. But it is simply not true that they are all 'junk'.


Front rotors on it no, but I finally had to replace the rear drums on my 98 Saturn work car after around 350,000 miles. MY parents bought it new and sold it to me so I know the whole history.


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Re: Wheel Bearing Question [Re: poorboy] #2984760
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Originally Posted by poorboy
Here in our town, you can't get drums or rotors turned, anywhere. Everyone got rid the the lathes to turn the drums and rotors about 5 years ago.

That was probably for the better though. The last pair of rotors I had turned ended up being turned very poorly ( they were good, I just wanted them cleaned up a little). That left me with two warped rotors that cost $25 each to turn (on $30 each replacement made in the USA rotors). The quality of a turned drum or rotor has a lot to do with the condition of the machine doing the cutting, and the person operating the machine. Equipment in poor condition and/or a poorly trained operator does not make a good brake turning experience. Gene


THIS ^ SO MUCH THIS.

After spending many years in the business, I'm appalled by how many "professional " brake guys can't turn a rotor or drum.

To Xs point, if you need to turn, go to a real machine shop.


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Re: Wheel Bearing Question [Re: SomeCarGuy] #2984773
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Originally Posted by SomeCarGuy
Originally Posted by DaveRS23
Originally Posted by SomeCarGuy
Factory rotors are junk. Even the vaunted Toyotas don’t have good ones. Years ago I simply walked into car quest and asked for the Canada made rotor for whatever I had at the time and that was the end of the issue. Well offshoring took care of that good solution. After years of frustration, I have settled on two options. EBC made in England and some even are made in the USA like they should be. You have to plan ahead and even if you do it can be hard to get them in your hands.

If I can’t wait for those, powerstop Chinese has been ok. It’s just I detest supporting China and do my best to shun them and their bs.

This year we cut it close, but the boat from England finally made it the week things were getting ugly on a car. I estimated maybe 3 days left before it had to be parked. Glad it made it, the EBC stuff has been awesome again.


I can't agree with that broad of a statement. I have seen too many O.E. rotors last the life of the vehicle given that no pads are worn to metal and maybe a turn or two. We just sold a Town and Country that had 240,000 miles and still had the original rotors. Had been turned once, maybe twice, I don't remember. It was one of our work vans we have had for over a decade.

Yes, some O.E rotors are crap, as bad as or worse than parts store pieces. But it is simply not true that they are all 'junk'.


I haven’t heard anybody else talking up factory junk. I do know putting quality parts on ends the warped rotor issue. Both my new and used vehicles, going all the way back to when I started driving. Guys pulling stuff from junkyards are looking to save a buck and aren’t so concerned.


Your life must be so simple. Everything is 'one size fits all'.

We try to use the best affordable parts that we can. Sometimes that is new aftermarket. And sometimes that is used O.E. Neither has a lock on the best. We frequently use used O.E. parts. And despite your opinion, it usually has much more to do with quality than it does with cost. Time is money and it takes much more time to locate good used parts than it does to have the local AutoZone deliver something. But what the parts store offers can be a crap shoot. And there are times when O.E. parts are crap and the aftermarket steps up and improves them. It takes time and effort to sort it out. I am sure that we are not always able to select the best part possible. But, at least we try.

It is not surprising that you 'haven’t heard anybody else talking up factory junk' even though there is at least one other post listing the huge mileage they got out of their O.E. rotors. It doesn't fit with your opinion so you ignore it. Keeps your life simple, doesn't it?


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Re: Wheel Bearing Question [Re: DaveRS23] #2984795
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My 2019 work truck has 106k miles on it. Only things replaced, aside from wiper blades, oil and filters, that it left the factory with is the tires and I got 95k out of them.

Still has the factory rotors, pads, shocks, etc. I don't ever recall having an issue using factory parts.

Now some of the lights on the HVAC controls need replaced, but that's not really an issue for me.

Re: Wheel Bearing Question [Re: DaveRS23] #2984828
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Originally Posted by DaveRS23
Most manufacturers allow .001" to .002" run out on rotor friction surfaces. Quality brake lathes in good condition can meet that. What improvement could be achieved by getting better than that? On most daily driver type vehicles, by the time they need brakes, there is more play in the system than the .001" or .002" run out allowed on the rotors.



very true. however, [around here at least] in a 20 mile radius, IF you can find someone to turn a drum or rotor, all you will find is "quality" machines turned into junk by incompetent or just lazy operators, that never do even the slightest maintenance to the machine or tooling. also, the more ridged the fixturing, the better the job.
my setup is fixtured as it would be on the vehicle, torqued to the wheel specs. when it is returned to the vehicle, it returns/conforms to the way it was machined, a much better job than your average brake lathe can produce.
this is just how i do things. i know most do not have the equipment i have available, nor the desire/time needed to do this, so your results will certainly vary.
beer

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Originally Posted by DaveRS23
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Originally Posted by SomeCarGuy
Factory rotors are junk. Even the vaunted Toyotas don’t have good ones. Years ago I simply walked into car quest and asked for the Canada made rotor for whatever I had at the time and that was the end of the issue. Well offshoring took care of that good solution. After years of frustration, I have settled on two options. EBC made in England and some even are made in the USA like they should be. You have to plan ahead and even if you do it can be hard to get them in your hands.

If I can’t wait for those, powerstop Chinese has been ok. It’s just I detest supporting China and do my best to shun them and their bs.

This year we cut it close, but the boat from England finally made it the week things were getting ugly on a car. I estimated maybe 3 days left before it had to be parked. Glad it made it, the EBC stuff has been awesome again.


I can't agree with that broad of a statement. I have seen too many O.E. rotors last the life of the vehicle given that no pads are worn to metal and maybe a turn or two. We just sold a Town and Country that had 240,000 miles and still had the original rotors. Had been turned once, maybe twice, I don't remember. It was one of our work vans we have had for over a decade.

Yes, some O.E rotors are crap, as bad as or worse than parts store pieces. But it is simply not true that they are all 'junk'.


I haven’t heard anybody else talking up factory junk. I do know putting quality parts on ends the warped rotor issue. Both my new and used vehicles, going all the way back to when I started driving. Guys pulling stuff from junkyards are looking to save a buck and aren’t so concerned.


Your life must be so simple. Everything is 'one size fits all'.

We try to use the best affordable parts that we can. Sometimes that is new aftermarket. And sometimes that is used O.E. Neither has a lock on the best. We frequently use used O.E. parts. And despite your opinion, it usually has much more to do with quality than it does with cost. Time is money and it takes much more time to locate good used parts than it does to have the local AutoZone deliver something. But what the parts store offers can be a crap shoot. And there are times when O.E. parts are crap and the aftermarket steps up and improves them. It takes time and effort to sort it out. I am sure that we are not always able to select the best part possible. But, at least we try.

It is not surprising that you 'haven’t heard anybody else talking up factory junk' even though there is at least one other post listing the huge mileage they got out of their O.E. rotors. It doesn't fit with your opinion so you ignore it. Keeps your life simple, doesn't it?


I’ve dealt with guys like you on here for over two decades now. I posted my experience and you flew off the handle because you “know better.” I don’t care what other guys are running, it won’t change what I’ve found that works. I’m not into having brake shake, in the least. So I want the best possible part. I’m sure many wouldn’t think of changing rotors that are just slightly off. I’d probably drive their vehicle 5 miles and say it needs a brake job. They can run it on out to however many miles they are comfortable with. It’s personal preference and just like your whining here about my post that didn’t even quote you, it’s easier to let it go at that.

I didn’t post that you could just walk into a store and get the ones I’ve settled on. Nice straw man. You have to plan ahead to get the EBC and powerstops, at least around here. Parts store shelf junk has nothing to do with what I said.

Maybe you should just accept my opinion and simplify your life.


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Re: Wheel Bearing Question [Re: SomeCarGuy] #2984927
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Have you noticed that others have posted positive experiences with O.E. rotors, too? Are you asking yourself; how is that even possible? laugh2


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My 92 truck is running on junk rotors and drums at 170k.

It's true that in the 90s vintage GM vehicles, they did have troubles with the metallurgy of their rotors. They seem to have fixed that now.

I prefer running on rotors when possible, I true them and clean on my lathe. If I need new, my current goto are Centric premium.


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