Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
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But at one time Chrysler highly suggested using a PS !
Do you know why they did that ?
And with good SS springs a PS is not needed. There will be 3 to 5 degrees movement - at the most.
So you SET the pinion angle 3 to 5 down ...and you are good-to-go.
May I ask .... what was the rod side clearance on the last motor you built ?
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
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09/15/06 10:32 PM
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I'm building a 410 stroker as we speak. I build lots of "engines" not motors if ya must know. The rod clearance is right at .015, they are steel H-beams, aluminum rods need bout .020 for the expansion difference. Tim
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
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Isn't it called rear axle wind-up? I thought the idea behind using the pinion snubber was that it attaches to the nose of the third member creating a positive stop of torquing at a more precise position.
BTW I have NEVER experienced rear axle hop in a mopar. That's GM voodoo.
I’m listening.
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
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Easy does it. Just yesterday I was amazed we were actually having a conversation about cars and now we are still talking about cars but it's getting a little dicey man! relax and some more....it that doesn't work, take 2 of these and come on back! Easy now
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
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That's GM voodoo.
Like I said earlier, sound like he's been taking advice from Chevy guys. Tim
Tim ...... I will just say this .... I was out at Milan Dragway when they were testing the Motown Missle and the Mopar Missle, alot of the factory-sponsored SS cars .... and the White-Whale test car....
AKA .... the same time you were probably still in diapers.
AND ........ 15 sounds good on steel rods ... but alum rods need lots more than 20.
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
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I aint tryin to start no stink, I just know the snubbers work and they look better than traction bars or whatever and ya cant see them. They are kinda sneaky to me. Tim
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
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That's GM voodoo.
Like I said earlier, sound like he's been taking advice from Chevy guys. Tim
Tim ...... I will just say this .... I was out at Milan Dragway when they were testing the Motown Missle and the Mopar Missle and alot of the factory-sponsored cars ....
AKA .... the same time you were probably still in diapers.
AND ........ 15 sounds good on steel rods ... but alum rods need lots more than 20.
Wow braggin rights over PS's !!! Back in 74 we used to weld extentions on our pinion snubbers and mount another plate to help with lift. but................ it really doesn't matter much.
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
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BUT with proper springs ... there will be no wrap-up ...and the pinion angle should not move anymore that 3-5 degrees at the most.
As many chassis builders have said ... a PS is just a band-aid for INeffective rear springs.
Yep - pinion snubbers are just a waste of time and effort and money, and pure garbage/crutch. Ask some of the race guys.. Buy good springs and install them and you will eliminate wheel hop. DAMHIK.
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
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09/15/06 10:53 PM
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Wow braggin rights over PS's !!!
NOPE ... he can have ALL the ones out there !
And IF they "work" for him .... GOOD for him.
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
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Yep - pinion snubbers are just a waste of time and effort and money, and pure garbage/crutch. Ask some of the race guys.. Buy good springs and install them and you will eliminate wheel hop. DAMHIK.
Welcome ... to another defender of the "truth" .. !
I should add .... Some time ago - I saw a car with bad springs and a snubber BLOW the driveshaft OUT from under the vehicle ....during a 60 foot shot --
You could HEAR the snubber banging-on-the-floor and then the DS was just SPIT out.
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
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09/15/06 11:18 PM
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I totally agree some folks use them as a crutch, but I have installed new springs in quite a few cars and ran them, then added snubbers. Got a way better 60 foot time with them. What ever works I guess. Tim
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
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We were posting about this same topic the other night and Namvet keeps asking others to quote thier sorses, but can he post all his? Can he post WHY Chrysler put them on the cars when Ford and GM did not? He starts posting hostal right off the bat. Sounds like HES the one that needs to chill out. Post proof or please dont post. I dont want to start a fight, but lighten up. DaveJ
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
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Hey, even my Slant six Scamp came out of the factory with a pinion snubber bolted onto it's 7 1/4 rear, so I guess Chrysler believed they served a valid purpose. Although I seriously doubt that snubber has ever touched the floor of my car Wheel hop has never been an issue with a slant six...
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
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09/16/06 12:17 PM
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every body has a right to post and express there opinion. problem is we don't know how to act when someone else has a different oppinion.
Aint that the truth! Somebody coming back with a different opinion is often taken as a personal slap in the face. It's not. BTW, you spelled opinion wrong the second time.
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
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every body has a right to post and express there opinion. problem is we don't know how to act when someone else has a different oppinion.
Aint that the truth! Somebody coming back with a different opinion is often taken as a personal slap in the face. It's not. BTW, you spelled opinion wrong the second time.
whats your point? it was dark I was half a sleep and I can't spell. would you like the grammar fixing job
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
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would you like the grammar fixing job
Are you kidding? I can't spell or structure sentences either! But it's always fun to point out others errors.
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