Re: Macho Power Wagon Questionl
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08/28/21 09:14 AM
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Power wagon's are cool, macho truck's are cooler ! big block 4 speed factory orange, Arizona truck with 0000 # rust no floor replacement on this truck .
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Re: Macho Power Wagon Question…
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08/28/21 11:13 PM
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It is a 100% rust free all original truck with a lot of patina. It’s a 360, four-speed truck with low miles. Short box and all the macho stuff in place. I would not restore this truck, but I would make improvements.
No such thing as a rust free original outside of Cali or Az. It's got rust, bondo or swapped panels somewhere. Mileage on the clock means nothing without docs to back it up. Way too easy to swap / reset and replace the pedal pads. Assuming daily driver or better condition, $5k max. In general, short beds are going for more than long beds. A/C and the buddy seat buckets are about the only value adds. I know rust and what to look for... I've also got a '75 Power Wagon that is rust free, always was and no bondo or panels patched or replaced. The Macho truck I'm looking at was from a rust free climate. AND, it is rust free, all original panels, no bondo, no panels swapped, all original paint and decals, really well preserved... One owner and docs for mileage... Still see near rust free 72-80 Dodges around here in the Pacific Northwest. Almost makes me wanna cry when I go to Pull and Save in Spokane Washington and see these trucks being scrapped with no rust issues. But I sure have bought a lot of nice body parts from there. Montana is also a great place to find unrusted 72-80 Dodges. Judging by all the cool old Dodge trucks I find, this corner of the US must have had some high volume Dodge Truck dealers in the 60's and 70's. Last summer I bought a 77 Macho Power Wagon in northern Alberta Canada. 400 automatic, sport mirrors, vacuum guage, cargo lamp etc. Its a beat up original paint farm truck, but other than the drivers floor, its virtually rust free. Unfortunately, it was so pounded on the farm, that it needs most panels replaced. My 75 Power Wagon 440 shortbed is also a beat up original paint truck, with minimal rust
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Re: Macho Power Wagon Question…
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08/29/21 08:14 AM
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No such thing as a rust free original outside of Cali or Az. B.S. I've had several CO, UT and NM trucks that were just as clean as anything from AZ which I've also have owned. Out of the over 40 Western 72-80 trucks that I've owned none had any rust in the roofs. Totally an East side thing. Floors and above the rear wheel wells and lower corners of the doors are the rust issues out here. This 77 Macho came out of NM about 6 years ago. Paid 2500 for it. 360/727. It did need two quarter size rust spots in the door corners and a couple in the roll bar fixed That was it. Put a bunch of money and hours into it and then it eventually sold for 28,000 which is probably the top of the spectrum. That's a nice Macho moparmarks! How long ago did you sell that? About 5 years ago
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Re: Macho Power Wagon Question…
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08/29/21 08:57 AM
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B.S. I've had several CO, UT and NM trucks that were just as clean as anything from AZ which I've also have owned. Out of the over 40 Western 72-80 trucks that I've owned none had any rust in the roofs. Totally an East side thing. Floors and above the rear wheel wells and lower corners of the doors are the rust issues out here. This 77 Macho came out of NM about 6 years ago. Paid 2500 for it. 360/727. It did need two quarter size rust spots in the door corners and a couple in the roll bar fixed That was it. Put a bunch of money and hours into it and then it eventually sold for 28,000 which is probably the top of the spectrum. That's a nice Macho moparmarks! How long ago did you sell that? That's interesting... I would agree that $28K would be at the top of the market 5 years ago but I would venture to guess that nationally it is much higher than that today. Again, I am no expert on truck values but from what I have seen, the popularity and values of all trucks has exploded over the last few years. I bought this truck 4 years ago, making a few small improvements over the years and would say it has at least doubled in value since then!
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Re: Macho Power Wagon Questionl
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Drill the spot welds out and take the rear quarters off the box sides and you'll find the rust on any of these trucks. They had no internal galvanizing or paint on the hidden substructures, so even when you find a good looking truck that seems to have no rust and no holes, it's there and it's started .I put a mirror up inside my 85 w-150 and its the same. A friend of mine has a never winter driven 92 cummins holiday truck,the rockers and cab corners are out of it. My ramcharger was a pretty clean pacific northwest truck with a few rust blems. When the bodyshop went digging they found the internal metal uncoated the surfaces covered in rust and some of the structural eaten away. The tub was disassembled, blasted, welded back together and epoxy coated. You really can't make such a sweeping generalization of all trucks just because of your experience with a few trucks. There are rust free vehicles out there all over the place! It all depends on the climate and storage conditions the vehicle has been in during it's life.
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Re: Macho Power Wagon Questionl
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There's no coating under the skins, doesnt matter if its from the 70's' 80's or 90's. These things were built to last maybe 7 years and it shows. Yes, most of the time but not in all cases. There are exceptions, many exceptions.
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Re: Macho Power Wagon Questionl
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08/29/21 10:28 AM
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Drill the spot welds out and take the rear quarters off the box sides and you'll find the rust on any of these trucks. They had no internal galvanizing or paint on the hidden substructures, so even when you find a good looking truck that seems to have no rust and no holes, it's there and it's started .I put a mirror up inside my 85 w-150 and its the same. A friend of mine has a never winter driven 92 cummins holiday truck,the rockers and cab corners are out of it. My ramcharger was a pretty clean pacific northwest truck with a few rust blems. When the bodyshop went digging they found the internal metal uncoated the surfaces covered in rust and some of the structural eaten away. The tub was disassembled, blasted, welded back together and epoxy coated. You really can't make such a sweeping generalization of all trucks just because of your experience with a few trucks. There are rust free vehicles out there all over the place! It all depends on the climate and storage conditions the vehicle has been in during it's life. Absolutely agree
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Re: Macho Power Wagon Questionl
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No you're kidding yourself here, chrysler workmanship was never going to go the extra mile, the body shop even said from the start,the inner rust is what gets these trucks and makes bringing them back from the dead so expensive. My RC was a solid truck, looked like minor rust repair, you can't leave raw metal anywhere and think it wont develop rust and won't spread. The least a person could do on these trucks without total disassembly, is to maybe find a way to por 15 the inner structures through the bottom drain plugs and through the tail light openings. They weren't even sealing the seams all the way through or the entire length of the seams. It doesn't matter if it spent it's life in the sahara desert, one car wash and the rust is started. I see that you are in Canada. Yes, trucks will have a hard time surviving in your climate.
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Re: Macho Power Wagon Questionl
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08/29/21 12:35 PM
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If all 70's truck started rusting almost immediately there wouldn't be any around now without some intervention within a few years of new. They'd have completely rusted away by now. But there are some that are original body and even paint that have not withered away with rust such as my '79 from California. Yes cars and trucks from that era and of most makes were prone to rust but luckily many are "survivors".
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Re: Macho Power Wagon Questionl
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08/29/21 02:44 PM
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Yes it will start rusting with any moisture. We can see that on our disc brakes. But I'm not understanding what the point is here. If you have a nice solid outwardly appearing rust free truck that is kept dry 99% of the time as my '79 is, what should I do? It has survived for over 40 years without this supposed hidden rust extending to the outer panels but is the implication here that I need to start drilling out rivets and removing skins to treat the inner panels?
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Re: Macho Power Wagon Questionl
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08/29/21 05:59 PM
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If all 70's truck started rusting almost immediately there wouldn't be any around now without some intervention within a few years of new. They'd have completely rusted away by now. But there are some that are original body and even paint that have not withered away with rust such as my '79 from California. Yes cars and trucks from that era and of most makes were prone to rust but luckily many are "survivors". Mine was considered a " survivor" . There just isn't much point into pumping 15-20k into the outside resto when you know rust is lurking within. This truck could have been prettied up and been nice 9/10 for another 5-8 years before the rust made itself known in the structure again. I'm in for another 8k over the origianl resto guestimate, but I will not only have a truly rust free truck but also a rust resistant truck. It's treated, sealed and rhino lined inside and out, as I intend to use it year round. It will now outlast me.
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Re: Macho Power Wagon Questionl
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If all 70's truck started rusting almost immediately there wouldn't be any around now without some intervention within a few years of new. They'd have completely rusted away by now. But there are some that are original body and even paint that have not withered away with rust such as my '79 from California. Yes cars and trucks from that era and of most makes were prone to rust but luckily many are "survivors". Mine was considered a " survivor" . There just isn't much point into pumping 15-20k into the outside resto when you know rust is lurking within. This truck could have been prettied up and been nice 9/10 for another 5-8 years before the rust made itself known in the structure again. I'm in for another 8k over the origianl resto guestimate, but I will not only have a truly rust free truck but also a rust resistant truck. It's treated, sealed and rhino lined inside and out, as I intend to use it year round. It will now outlast me. Sorry to inform you but if you intend to use your truck year round it will not last in your climate. Tiny rock chips and metal welds stressing will invite rust in no time and you will quickly be back in the same position before you started. That is just the unfortunate reality using a steel vehicle year round in a harsh climate...
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