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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: 70dart360] #29593
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But at one time Chrysler highly suggested using a PS !

Do you know why they did that ?

And with good SS springs a PS is not needed. There will be 3 to 5 degrees movement - at the most.

So you SET the pinion angle 3 to 5 down ...and you are good-to-go.

May I ask .... what was the rod side clearance on the last motor you built ?

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I'm building a 410 stroker as we speak. I build lots of "engines" not motors if ya must know. The rod clearance is right at .015, they are steel H-beams, aluminum rods need bout .020 for the expansion difference.
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Isn't it called rear axle wind-up? I thought the idea behind using the pinion snubber was that it attaches to the nose of the third member creating a positive stop of torquing at a more precise position.

BTW I have NEVER experienced rear axle hop in a mopar. That's GM voodoo.


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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Big Bad Bee] #29596
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That's GM voodoo.



Like I said earlier, sound like he's been taking advice from Chevy guys.
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Easy does it. Just yesterday I was amazed we were actually having a conversation about cars and now we are still talking about cars but it's getting a little dicey man!


relax and some more....it that doesn't work, take 2 of these and come on back!

Easy now

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: 70dart360] #29598
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That's GM voodoo.



Like I said earlier, sound like he's been taking advice from Chevy guys.
Tim




Tim ...... I will just say this .... I was out at Milan Dragway when they were testing the Motown Missle and the Mopar Missle, alot of the factory-sponsored SS cars .... and the White-Whale test car....

AKA .... the same time you were probably still in diapers.

AND ........ 15 sounds good on steel rods ... but alum rods need lots more than 20.

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I aint tryin to start no stink, I just know the snubbers work and they look better than traction bars or whatever and ya cant see them. They are kinda sneaky to me.
Tim


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That's GM voodoo.



Like I said earlier, sound like he's been taking advice from Chevy guys.
Tim




Tim ...... I will just say this .... I was out at Milan Dragway when they were testing the Motown Missle and the Mopar Missle and alot of the factory-sponsored cars ....

AKA .... the same time you were probably still in diapers.

AND ........ 15 sounds good on steel rods ... but alum rods need lots more than 20.





Wow braggin rights over PS's !!!
Back in 74 we used to weld extentions on our pinion snubbers and mount another plate to help with lift. but................
it really doesn't matter much.

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BUT with proper springs ... there will be no wrap-up ...and the pinion angle should not move anymore that 3-5 degrees at the most.

As many chassis builders have said ... a PS is just a band-aid for INeffective rear springs.




Yep - pinion snubbers are just a waste of time and effort and money, and pure garbage/crutch. Ask some of the race guys.. Buy good springs and install them and you will eliminate wheel hop. DAMHIK.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Mopar-Al] #29602
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Wow braggin rights over PS's !!!






NOPE ... he can have ALL the ones out there !

And IF they "work" for him .... GOOD for him.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: IronWolf] #29603
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Yep - pinion snubbers are just a waste of time and effort and money, and pure garbage/crutch. Ask some of the race guys.. Buy good springs and install them and you will eliminate wheel hop. DAMHIK.




Welcome ... to another defender of the "truth" .. !

I should add .... Some time ago - I saw a car with bad springs and a snubber BLOW the driveshaft OUT from under the vehicle ....during a 60 foot shot --

You could HEAR the snubber banging-on-the-floor and then the DS was just SPIT out.

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I totally agree some folks use them as a crutch, but I have installed new springs in quite a few cars and ran them, then added snubbers. Got a way better 60 foot time with them. What ever works I guess.
Tim


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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: 70dart360] #29605
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Here is my take on the Pinion Snubber. I have been into muscle cars and drag racing since the late 60's and I remember most of the Mopar performance bulletins in the late 60's and 70's would tell us to use the pinion snubber and most local bracket racers did use them back then. I always figured that the experts thought with the rear end twist they figured that the pinion snubber would rest it on the car body when it contacted the underbody and the car weight would help plant the tires. I guess most Mopar racers just figured it worked because the experts told us it did. Maybe it does work on some cars and maybe it don't work on others. It depends on the suspension setup and of course worn out springs will most likely make a snubber help. Now it's 2006 and even the local bracket racer seems to run caltracks nowadays and the technology has suspension's working good so most feel you don't need the pinion snubber anymore. Now this is just the way it has looked to me over the years. I can't blame a racer for using a pinion snubber because years ago Mopar said it was one of the best things to help your Mopar hook up. Did it work ??? It depends on who you ask. I ran one for years back in the 70's on my 66 Dart with a 4-speed and worn out springs with air shocks. It had a mild 340 in it and it ran a best of 11.90's @ 112 back in 1981. So I guess it hooked ok for 9" slicks and air shocks. I really don't know if it helped that much or not but I do know we have the 002 and 003 SS springs on my boys Dart street car. And I know it's best 60 ft is a 1.61 without the pinion snubber on it. We had it on the car a year ago and it made no difference. So to answer the question of does a pinion snubber work ???? All I can say is try it and see how it does on your car. Some say it works and some say it don't help at all. It can't hurt to try it and find out for yourself. Ron

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: 383man] #29606
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I hate to tell some of you non snubber guys that any leaf spring will wrap if you apply enough power and have enough traction. so the buy a new set holds no water. so will it help(not solve the problem) sure it will. if you want to eliminate the problem step up to a ladder or 4 link

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: 383man] #29607
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We were posting about this same topic the other night and Namvet keeps asking others to quote thier sorses, but can he post all his? Can he post WHY Chrysler put them on the cars when Ford and GM did not? He starts posting hostal right off the bat. Sounds like HES the one that needs to chill out. Post proof or please dont post. I dont want to start a fight, but lighten up. DaveJ


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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Dave_J] #29608
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every body has a right to post and express there opinion. problem is we don't know how to act when someone else has a different oppinion. mopar put them on because the front spring segment is shorter compared to ford and gm. they do work, are thay a bandaid? Yes

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Hey, even my Slant six Scamp came out of the factory with a pinion snubber bolted onto it's 7 1/4 rear, so I guess Chrysler believed they served a valid purpose.

Although I seriously doubt that snubber has ever touched the floor of my car Wheel hop has never been an issue with a slant six...


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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Quicktree] #29610
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every body has a right to post and express there opinion. problem is we don't know how to act when someone else has a different oppinion.


Aint that the truth! Somebody coming back with a different opinion is often taken as a personal slap in the face. It's not. BTW, you spelled opinion wrong the second time.

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every body has a right to post and express there opinion. problem is we don't know how to act when someone else has a different oppinion.


Aint that the truth! Somebody coming back with a different opinion is often taken as a personal slap in the face. It's not. BTW, you spelled opinion wrong the second time.




whats your point? it was dark I was half a sleep and I can't spell. would you like the grammar fixing job

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would you like the grammar fixing job


Are you kidding? I can't spell or structure sentences either! But it's always fun to point out others errors.

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