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Re: Toyota doesn't want to build only EVs
[Re: calmopar]
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07/29/21 01:20 PM
07/29/21 01:20 PM
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DaveRS23
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The future will have decentralized energy production and delivery and cars will run on power stored in some manner other than electrochemical batteries (flywheels, hydrogen, hybrids of the two, etc).
Maybe. But then again, maybe not. Then there's the all-important question of 'when'. And then how long before they are proven. Can you say guinea pig? So, I wouldn't be saving for one just yet.
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Re: Toyota doesn't want to build only EVs
[Re: DaveRS23]
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07/29/21 05:06 PM
07/29/21 05:06 PM
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calmopar
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The future will have decentralized energy production and delivery and cars will run on power stored in some manner other than electrochemical batteries (flywheels, hydrogen, hybrids of the two, etc).
Maybe. But then again, maybe not. Then there's the all-important question of 'when'. And then how long before they are proven. Can you say guinea pig? So, I wouldn't be saving for one just yet. The when will be measured in decades - likely our kids might see it.
Trying to enjoy life!
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Re: Toyota doesn't want to build only EVs
[Re: DaveRS23]
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07/29/21 06:06 PM
07/29/21 06:06 PM
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The future will have decentralized energy production and delivery and cars will run on power stored in some manner other than electrochemical batteries (flywheels, hydrogen, hybrids of the two, etc).
Maybe. But then again, maybe not. Then there's the all-important question of 'when'. And then how long before they are proven. Can you say guinea pig? So, I wouldn't be saving for one just yet. Hybrids at least make some sense because they won't leave you stranded with dead batteries like a pure electric vehicle will. The hydrogen fuel cell technology seemed to make the most sense to me, Daimler Chrysler was working on it in the 2000-2005 era then they just dropped it never explaining why.
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Re: Toyota doesn't want to build only EVs
[Re: SNK-EYZ]
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07/29/21 07:17 PM
07/29/21 07:17 PM
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HotRodDave
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The future will have decentralized energy production and delivery and cars will run on power stored in some manner other than electrochemical batteries (flywheels, hydrogen, hybrids of the two, etc).
Maybe. But then again, maybe not. Then there's the all-important question of 'when'. And then how long before they are proven. Can you say guinea pig? So, I wouldn't be saving for one just yet. Hybrids at least make some sense because they won't leave you stranded with dead batteries like a pure electric vehicle will. The hydrogen fuel cell technology seemed to make the most sense to me, Daimler Chrysler was working on it in the 2000-2005 era then they just dropped it never explaining why. I saw an add today from GM where they were braggin about how they have been working on hydrogen power since the 1960s, still nothin though. The problem is not making something with a fuel cell or even burning it in an ICE. It is fun to think about not producing anything butt water for emmissions butt they just can't produce the stuff in a cost effective manner.
I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!
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Re: Toyota doesn't want to build only EVs
[Re: SRT6776]
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07/30/21 04:21 AM
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Toyota is cautious of the latest tech and trends. That's why they have not gone to stop/start technology. They figured the fuel savings on paper is not worth it long term. The green crowd will not address the inhumane treatment of the exploited humans- many of them children working in the lithium mines. They will not address the pollution to the ground, water and air done by the mining and then manufacturing of the lithium batteries. If those lithium batteries were mined and manufactured according to US guidelines of worker and environmental safety (yes the big United Racist States of America) I bet those batteries would cost $200,000 and not $15,000. The abundant slave labor and zero environmental laws on the other side of the planet make manufacture of batteries cheap so one can still afford a latte and sip it while planning their next protest.
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Re: Toyota doesn't want to build only EVs
[Re: 2boltmain]
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07/30/21 07:06 AM
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Toyota is cautious of the latest tech and trends. That's why they have not gone to stop/start technology. They figured the fuel savings on paper is not worth it long term. The green crowd will not address the inhumane treatment of the exploited humans- many of them children working n the lithium mines. They will not have the address the pollution to the ground, water and air done by the mining and then manufacturing of the lithium batteries. If those lithium batteries were mined and manufactured according to US guidelines of worker and environmental safety (yes the big United Racist States of America) I bet those batteries would cost $200,000 and not $15,000. The abundant slave labor and zero environmental laws on the other side of the planet make manufacture of batteries cheap so one can still afford a latte and sip it while planning their next protest. Hold on...you cannot interject facts into an emotional, political subject. Lets be realistic. NOBODY wants reality or facts.
Never, ever argue with an IDIOT. They will drag you to their level and then beat you with their years of experience
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Re: Toyota doesn't want to build only EVs
[Re: 2boltmain]
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07/30/21 08:16 AM
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Toyota is cautious of the latest tech and trends. That's why they have not gone to stop/start technology. They figured the fuel savings on paper is not worth it long term. The green crowd will not address the inhumane treatment of the exploited humans- many of them children working n the lithium mines. They will not have the address the pollution to the ground, water and air done by the mining and then manufacturing of the lithium batteries. If those lithium batteries were mined and manufactured according to US guidelines of worker and environmental safety (yes the big United Racist States of America) I bet those batteries would cost $200,000 and not $15,000. The abundant slave labor and zero environmental laws on the other side of the planet make manufacture of batteries cheap so one can still afford a latte and sip it while planning their next protest. They do actually offer stop start vehicles.
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Re: Toyota doesn't want to build only EVs
[Re: Bad340fish]
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07/30/21 08:40 AM
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Toyota is cautious of the latest tech and trends. That's why they have not gone to stop/start technology. They figured the fuel savings on paper is not worth it long term. The green crowd will not address the inhumane treatment of the exploited humans- many of them children working n the lithium mines. They will not have the address the pollution to the ground, water and air done by the mining and then manufacturing of the lithium batteries. If those lithium batteries were mined and manufactured according to US guidelines of worker and environmental safety (yes the big United Racist States of America) I bet those batteries would cost $200,000 and not $15,000. The abundant slave labor and zero environmental laws on the other side of the planet make manufacture of batteries cheap so one can still afford a latte and sip it while planning their next protest. They do actually offer stop start vehicles. I stand corrected.
Keep old mopars alive.
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Re: Toyota doesn't want to build only EVs
[Re: 2boltmain]
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07/30/21 09:14 AM
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oldjonny
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My understanding is that the stop/start on a Toyota is also capable of being disabled. Not so much on a GM. My buddy has a Mali-boo-boo and hates it.
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Re: Toyota doesn't want to build only EVs
[Re: GoodysGotaCuda]
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07/30/21 10:21 AM
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Here’s some math….
One 19.7 kW fast charger = 91.21 amps @ 240 volts
2 fast chargers = 182.42 amps
One 4 ton air conditioning unit = 25.92 amps approx
Two Tesla fast chargers are like running 7 homes worth of decent sized A/C In my world, Trucking, those are all small numbers.  I was recently told a “heavy” boom with bucket truck for linemen use takes 50 kW of fast charging to change overnight. Of course, those are not stored in residential neighborhoods with residential infrastructures.
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