I'm sure we can all agree that the "Muscle Era" was generally 1968-1972, though we can sometimes paint that with a broader brush and say 1964-1974
Myself, I look at 68-72 being the peak of the era, and generally agree with the offerings from the 64-74 years, but a few from the late 50's can qualify as "musclecars", they only lack the nomenclature..... same could be said for some foreign makes
It probably depends on when you were raised and where, I remember the 1958 Chevy Impala, Bel Air and Biscanyes(SP?) with the 348 Tri Power, the 1958 Pontiac with fuel injection and others starting the muscle car wars, not the 1964 Pontiac GTO, they started the pony car wars 1962 Chevy 409 4 speeds, 413 and 426 Max wedges, 1961 406 tri power Fords, the 389 Pontiac Tri Power and later 1964 421 dual quad Pontiac in full size cars and the later 19631/2 Galaxy 427 dual quad Fords were in my mind the hay days of the muscle car wars The 1964 pony cars made by all three major brands started the down sizing of the muscle cars to pony cars with bigger more powerful motors in 1965
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
It's just not the same. Yes it hauls azz but it's not the brutal visceral experience of a 60's to early 70's muscle car. It's more of an apples to oranges comparison.
Sure, it’s not the same. But, when any old lady can run in the 9’s with her factory 4-door Tesla, it makes our “muscle” look very slow in comparison. What’s next for Telsa? 8-second, 7-second cars off the showroom floor? The times are exponentially changing.
It's just not the same. Yes it hauls azz but it's not the brutal visceral experience of a 60's to early 70's muscle car. It's more of an apples to oranges comparison.
Sure, it’s not the same. But, when any old lady can run in the 9’s with her factory 4-door Tesla, it makes our “muscle” look very slow in comparison. What’s next for Telsa? 8-second, 7-second cars off the showroom floor? The times are exponentially changing.
New charger is supposedly coming for the crown = 8 second ET's
Re: Most powerful muscle car
[Re: SRT6776]
#2946263 07/23/2106:11 AM07/23/2106:11 AM
In the span of say 1963 to 1973 the quickest 1/4 mile heavy hitters were the big blocks. The 440 six pack (A12 Roadrunner) was a hell of a car along with the Buick GS 455. Both of these engines were smaller port high velocity headed engines where the Hemi and 454/427 were big port high RPM engines. From what I have read the torque of the GS455 was a reliable no fuss way to win a drag race stock against stock. Same with the 440 mopar and the Pontiac and Oldsmobile HP offerings. The Chevy and Hemi needed some distance to build that higher RPM power. Its too bad they didnt make more stage 1 455s and its a shame that big 455 Pontiac motor didnt come about 4 years earlier.
By what definition? Horsepower? Torque? Both??? I'm sure we can all agree that the "Muscle Era" was generally 1968-1972, though we can sometimes paint that with a broader brush and say 1964-1974
Be careful with the word "all".
The first known use of the word "muscle" to describe a car was auto writer Tom McCahill who, after the road test of a '55 Chrysler 300, said "Detroit has finally built a car with true Muscle."
Once again, the question.....what constitutes a "muscle car"? Some folks have set themselves as the authority on the definition but others, myself included, don't recognize their authority.
I think the OP needs to qualify it by saying "classic muscle car", or "American muscle car". There are cars such as various Porsche 911 turbo models that will beat most muscle cars in a 1/4 mile as well as run away from them on any sort of road race track but they are usually lumped into the "exotic" category rather than muscle car. I think eventually there will be some sort of "EV" category also.
If the OP asked "which production car accelerates the fastest" then the answer would most likely be the Tesla Plaid although there might be some super low production exotic that I don't know about.
There is no "authority" on what a muscle car is but there is probably a rough consensus among experts that it started with the GTO and ended with the SD Trans Am so Pontiac has the bookends of the era.
Re: Most powerful muscle car
[Re: SRT6776]
#2946439 07/23/2105:47 PM07/23/2105:47 PM
It's just not the same. Yes it hauls azz but it's not the brutal visceral experience of a 60's to early 70's muscle car. It's more of an apples to oranges comparison.
Sure, it’s not the same. But, when any old lady can run in the 9’s with her factory 4-door Tesla, it makes our “muscle” look very slow in comparison. What’s next for Telsa? 8-second, 7-second cars off the showroom floor? The times are exponentially changing.
New charger is supposedly coming for the crown = 8 second ET's
Actually, that does make sense. I wonder what the MSRP will be?
It's just not the same. Yes it hauls azz but it's not the brutal visceral experience of a 60's to early 70's muscle car. It's more of an apples to oranges comparison.
Sure, it’s not the same. But, when any old lady can run in the 9’s with her factory 4-door Tesla, it makes our “muscle” look very slow in comparison. What’s next for Telsa? 8-second, 7-second cars off the showroom floor? The times are exponentially changing.
New charger is supposedly coming for the crown = 8 second ET's
Actually, that does make sense. I wonder what the MSRP will be?
More affordable than the Ferrari guys that had just run things, Tavares (new CEO) just said they are a middle class brand and that must be saved. Under the Italians they cranked prices 10k per year it seems "higher transaction prices" stake holders (Euro) screamed. That may end hopefully. They lost me as a customer, not paying 90k for a scat pack, they can go **** themselves. The charger/challnger 392 is a 45k car before discount, same as the trucks
pull up with a hemi/6pack/ls6/etc to a red light with a tesla next to you and race him to the next light and tell me it aint a muscle car
Hey: a Cadillac Escalade could do the same: call that a Muscle car? I'd call it a Performance car, that better identifies all the newer high HP vehicles out there. Everybody is offering a Performance car these days: Hyundai, Honda, etc. Not just cars but trucks/SUV's.
Re: Most powerful muscle car
[Re: PhillyRag]
#2946533 07/23/2111:11 PM07/23/2111:11 PM
There's no definitive answer to the question as originally posed. Heck, a lot of folks can't agree on what a musclecar is or what "powerful" means. Some of the cars provided to the magazines were tweaked & optimized as well, and then beaten as hard as possible by the testers. So, what car, and when it was tested, and the conditions at that time, could skew the results. Heck, I've owned a bunch of stock 383 Road Runners, and some were markedly stronger than others.
Re: Most powerful muscle car
[Re: Sniper]
#2946558 07/24/2107:05 AM07/24/2107:05 AM
It's just not the same. Yes it hauls azz but it's not the brutal visceral experience of a 60's to early 70's muscle car. It's more of an apples to oranges comparison.
It's just not the same. Yes it hauls azz but it's not the brutal visceral experience of a 60's to early 70's muscle car. It's more of an apples to oranges comparison.
Sure, it’s not the same. But, when any old lady can run in the 9’s with her factory 4-door Tesla, it makes our “muscle” look very slow in comparison. What’s next for Telsa? 8-second, 7-second cars off the showroom floor? The times are exponentially changing.
It's just not the same. Yes it hauls azz but it's not the brutal visceral experience of a 60's to early 70's muscle car. It's more of an apples to oranges comparison.
Sure, it’s not the same. But, when any old lady can run in the 9’s with her factory 4-door Tesla, it makes our “muscle” look very slow in comparison. What’s next for Telsa? 8-second, 7-second cars off the showroom floor? The times are exponentially changing.
Post a vid of a Tesla running 9.99
9.20's
Re: Most powerful muscle car
[Re: PhillyRag]
#2946858 07/25/2105:48 AM07/25/2105:48 AM
