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Dang, my Mopars are surprisingly heavy. #2918460
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I finally weighed my cars and was shocked at the numbers.

My '68 A-Body convertible with a full US Cartool chassis stiffening kit, roll bar, stroked aluminum headed 5.9 Magnum, 2004R trans, A/C, BBP wheels with 4 wheel discs and a full TTI 3" exhaust came in at 3750 lbs with a half tank of fuel.

My '70 'Cuda with an aluminum headed 493, Passon 5 speed, Scatter Shield, Dana 60, US Cartool subframe connectors, A/C, Shaker hood, oversized stainless steel fuel tank and full 3" TTI exhaust came in at 4150 lbs with a half tank of fuel.

Both cars have pretty much stock interiors too.

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1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Nice to know. I am surprised that the E body was over two tons. shock Mine should be close to that, as mine is similarly set up like yours. mine is My '70 'Cuda with an aluminum headed 440, Passon 5 speed, Dana 60, US Cartool subframe connectors, stock hood and fuel tank and full 3" TTI exhaust.

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You didn’t forget to take out the tool box in your trunk did you.

Man that’s heavy.

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I'm a little surprised re: A-body weight...would have expected that to be lighter.

My M-body coupe is 3650 lbs with full tank of gas and my lightweight 175 lbs frame in it: 360 iron headed motor, 727 and 8-3/4" rear end.

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Not sure which scales you used, but I don’t think they’re as heavy as indicated. My B-body weighs in a touch over 3500 last reading I took. It’s a factory a/c car, however the a/c is now gone and I have aftermarket aluminum wheels. But man, if those scales are right, then that’s awfully heavy!

Yeah looks like your over by exactly 1000 lbs on each car. The first numbers on both readings is 1 number over

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Got another scale nearby? Wouldn't hurt to get a second opinion.


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Sounds right.

On the ‘70 Cuda.... The shaker adds weight, A/C, Dana is a pig, frame and other connectors add up, big block, 3” TTI fence post take-it-to-the-grave exhaust....

“This is Ed Wogulius's 71 Challenger. 340, 4 spd, t/a fiberglass hood, aluminum heads, cast iron ex manifolds, full interior, no a/c, power steering car ... 3455 lbs without driver

Last scale reading pic is with Ed in the car.

That is F/R 56.4%/43.6% weight split w/o driver. (scale is just reading rear percentage”

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Originally Posted by jbc426
I finally weighed my cars and was shocked at the numbers.

My '68 A-Body convertible with a full US Cartool chassis stiffening kit, roll bar, stroked aluminum headed 5.9 Magnum, 2004R trans, A/C, BBP wheels with 4 wheel discs and a full TTI 3" exhaust came in at 3750 lbs with a half tank of fuel.

My '70 'Cuda with an aluminum headed 493, Passon 5 speed, Scatter Shield, Dana 60, US Cartool subframe connectors, A/C, Shaker hood, oversized stainless steel fuel tank and full 3" TTI exhaust came in at 4150 lbs with a half tank of fuel.

Both cars have pretty much stock interiors too.


Are those weights with or without driver?

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my 66 hemi coronet 500 4speed / dana weighted 4370 with no driver!

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Mickey's 70 Hemi 4spd Road Runner post/coupe. It has a MP aluminum hemi six pack manifold and 3 holley carbs, MP cast iron block. Cast Iron 4 spd, Dana 60. Stock front disk. Bench seat. Gas tank is not full, but forgot how much gas he had.

Don't know about?:
-rear brakes
-cast iron or aluminum heads
-cast iron or aluminum bellhousing

The percentage is set on Rear. So the first reading w/o driver is 45.7% rear weight (54.3% front). Second reading is w/driver at 45.9% rear weight (54.1% front).

It's the weights on screen with the arrows pointing on them divided by the non arrow weights.

w/o driver:
LF: 1079 RF: 1005
LR: 848 RR: 909
F/R%: 54.3/45.7%
Total: 3841 lbs

w/driver:
LF: 1155 RF: 1022
LR: 912 RR: 933
F/R%: 54.1/45.9%
Total: 4022 lbs


Also, non air grabber car... that would add weight if installed

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These are the weights without driver. You guys are right to suggest I seek out another scale, and I forgot to mention both cars are dynamat'd and insulated too.


1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Originally Posted by jbc426
These are the weights without driver. You guys are right to suggest I seek out another scale, and I forgot to mention both cars are dynamat'd and insulated too.


They do sound heavy, are you rolling them on and off the scales? I can't imagine that makes a big difference, just curious.
See if you can check the calibration on the scales.
Years ago I weighed my '72 Challenger, 440,A833,blow-proof,headers,full exhaust, 15" rallyes, turbo mufflers. Pretty sure it was a little over 3700 lbs.

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This car weighs right at 3960 with a full tank and no spare. 440/493, aluminum heads-intake-headers-A/C, Tremec 5 speed-Frame connectors and torque boxes, extensive sound deadener, 1.15 torsion bars, 1 1/4" front sway bar, 3/4" rear bar....

When I first bought it with the original 318-904-4 wheel drum brakes....3660.
First iron headed 440 with 727 and 8 3/4" axle....3750.
It was 3940 before I installed aftermarket A/C and an even 4000 with the A/C. 3960 in late February this year after the 5 speed swap.
The Tremec swap was almost a wash....The 40 lb difference was NOT having the spare tire in the last time I had it weighed.

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Originally Posted by jbc426
These are the weights without driver. You guys are right to suggest I seek out another scale, and I forgot to mention both cars are dynamat'd and insulated too.


Dynamat is very heavy.

I doubt it’s too far off. It’s all the stuff that adds up.... on the ‘70: A/C, Dana, steel scatter shield, overdrive, rear steel disk vs lighter drum, big 3” thick exhaust. I bet a 100% complete steel shaker setup weigh more than a steel twin scoop hood.

How much bigger is the gas tank?


I didn’t weigh the barracuda it at Willow Springs ?

I see the background of those pictures.

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Originally Posted by Frankenduster


When I first bought it with the original 318-904-4 wheel drum brakes....3660.
First iron headed 440 with 727 and 8 3/4" axle....3750.



Hey Franken, that’s one helluva good lookin 70 model, So, I’ve often wondered the difference in weight between a big block and a small block. Looks like somewhere around 90 lbs?

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Sounds heavy. My 70 Hemi Cuda is #3800. 4 speed,lakewood shield,S60 Dana, Cal trac, split mono, sub frame connectors,and full interior. It has aluminum heads so that's worth 100# weight savings but that's it. Even has spare tire and jack.

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Originally Posted by autoxcuda
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These are the weights without driver. You guys are right to suggest I seek out another scale, and I forgot to mention both cars are dynamat'd and insulated too.


Dynamat is very heavy.

I doubt it’s too far off. It’s all the stuff that adds up.... on the ‘70: A/C, Dana, steel scatter shield, overdrive, rear steel disk vs lighter drum, big 3” thick exhaust. I bet a 100% complete steel shaker setup weigh more than a steel twin scoop hood.

How much bigger is the gas tank?


I didn’t weigh the barracuda it at Willow Springs ?

I see the background of those pictures.




The stainless steel tank is my own design made by Ricks Tanks. It holds an extra 7 gallons. It's 1 inch wider on each side and has an additional sump on the bottom.

I have a hunch that the weights are pretty accurate. Both these cars are set up as open road machines, so they are not too low, have overdrive transmissions and are focused on driver comfort on longer trips.

The '70 has 3 bulk packs of Dynamat in it, and the '68 has just over 1 bulk pack. I've found that Dynamat type products are good at dampening panel vibration, but an additional layer of a foil covered matting placed over the entire interior and sealed at the edges with aluminum foil with wax backing type duct tape vastly improves the reflection of a significant amount heat, fumes and noise. Used together, the two products can transform a car.

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1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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7 gallons of gas = ~ 44 lbs

Steel rims
A/C
Stock type leaf springs
3 bulk pack of Dynomat = 66 lbs
Foil

I think that’s ~250 lbs

Interesting to see what second70’s Hemi cuda weighs on good digital scales.

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Originally Posted by 68Bullit
Originally Posted by Frankenduster


When I first bought it with the original 318-904-4 wheel drum brakes....3660.
First iron headed 440 with 727 and 8 3/4" axle....3750.



Hey Franken, that’s one helluva good lookin 70 model, So, I’ve often wondered the difference in weight between a big block and a small block. Looks like somewhere around 90 lbs?


Thank you!
The 318 had A/C but the stuff all came off when I put in the 440. If you weigh the compressor, the condensor , A/C lines and belts, that could add up to another 50 lbs or more.

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