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Towing with RV #2915561
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I bought a Class C Ford E350 motorhome to tow with to the track It does a nice job, but am looking to do some upgrades to the factory stuff to help it drive better. I've been looking at larger front and rear sway bars, steering stabilizer shock and rear track bar. It currently has factory front and rear sway bars and a steering stabilizer on it. Any of you guys that tow with an rv and have done any upgrade which upgrade has helped the most? I would like to try and eliminate the feel you have thru the steering wheel of the Ford I beam suspension. Also try and help eliminate some of the sway when getting passed on the highway. I do have a weight distribution hitch with sway control. It tows nicely and even this weekend wasn't too bad considering I had a crosswind while towing.

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Air bags all 4 corners. The life span is 4 to 6 years. Handles so much better.

Re: Towing with RV [Re: A/MP] #2915627
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#1: Rancho 9000 adjustible shocks so you can dial them in to your liking.
#2 biggest rear sway bar you can get.

I found air bags good at carrying a load, but they can contribute to the boat in the waves feel.


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Re: Towing with RV [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2915641
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While I don't know I would assume your rated towing capacity is about 5,000 pounds.

Most race rigs weigh more than that.

If that is the case you might want to look at reinforcing the rear frame of the coach and perhaps upgrading the brakes on the coach and trailer if possible.

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Originally Posted by 340Cuda
While I don't know I would assume your rated towing capacity is about 5,000 pounds.

Most race rigs weigh more than that.

If that is the case you might want to look at reinforcing the rear frame of the coach and perhaps upgrading the brakes on the coach and trailer if possible.


My particular RV is rated at 7,000. I'm prob right there at that weight limit. The previous owner swapped out the factory hitch for a heavier one, along with beefed up the rear frame and what not. The rv stops just as well as my 2500 ram did pulling the trailer, just trying to get it drive more like a dodge and less like a ford.

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You might want to check the toe. A little extra toe in can really straighten them out. Or if it is toed out, it will never go straight. How many miles on it?


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Re: Towing with RV [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2915685
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Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel
You might want to check the toe. A little extra toe in can really straighten them out. Or if it is toed out, it will never go straight. How many miles on it?


Its a 2020 with 6,500 miles.

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Oh, that's way to new for me to know anything about... wave


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Re: Towing with RV [Re: DusterKid] #2915694
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Originally Posted by DusterKid
Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel
You might want to check the toe. A little extra toe in can really straighten them out. Or if it is toed out, it will never go straight. How many miles on it?


Its a 2020 with 6,500 miles.


Is yours a 2wd or 4wd..if you have the tires on the front I think you have.. they tend to wander around
take a pic of the front tires
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Re: Towing with RV [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2915697
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Its 2wd. It has Michelin tires on it. The photo isn't my RV, but is one just like it. I'm at work at the moment and can't take a pic of it.

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Originally Posted by DusterKid
Its 2wd. It has Michelin tires on it. The photo isn't my RV, but is one just like it. I'm at work at the moment and can't take a pic of it.


Those tires are hard as rocks.. make sure they are not solloped
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4 Bilsteins, then 4 air bags,then see if you feel the need for anything else.

Re: Towing with RV [Re: mgoblue9798] #2915717
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BUTTTT oGO ... gotta have LOTS of frame meat for the hitch tsk

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I never pulled with a motor home. I looked at several, and finally went with a pop up truck bed camper, in my dodge diesel, to pull my 28 foot race car trailer. I will have to second the air bags, it really helped my truck drive nice with the load I carry. Car and trailer is 12,000 lbs, and the camper is right at 2,000 lbs Sway bar hitch if you don't have one helps as well. Mine has a anti sway bar with it as well.

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My motorhome is only a 25 footer so I added the best hitch offered and bought a “Trailer Toad”. It makes hauling an enclosed trailer so much safer. I started out with a 23 foot one with a Chevy 400 engine and it towed my open trailer great. They I bought a 27 foot one with a 460 Ford engine and it was a PIG. Then I found the 25 foot one 2001 with a fuel injected big block Chevy and this thing is a powerhouse. Man it tows my loaded 26 foot trailer great.


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Re: Towing with RV [Re: DusterKid] #2916297
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Following this topic as I have an '08 E450, ad hope to tow my open aluminum car hauler.

Originally Posted by DusterKid
I would like to try and eliminate the feel you have thru the steering wheel of the Ford I beam suspension.


Can you describe what it is you are feeling with this? My brother has an E450 chassis that is much newer than mine (2019?), and he has no complaints, and does not feel it has any peculiar habits. Mine doesn't seem right, but it's the first twin I beam truck I've had, so I don't know what is normal and what is not.


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I've only driven the rv from the dealership home and than from home to the track and back so I'm still learning. But just driving the rv either with or without a trailer when you hit a bump in the road you feel it in the steering wheel (almost like there's not steering damper). I think this is just natural due to Ford's front suspension. I've always driven Dodge trucks so they have a much better more comfortable feel to me. A buddy of mine has a 01 Ford E350 and he upgraded the steering damper and front shocks to Bilstein and said the shocks made a world of difference. Being a 01 it may of still had the original shocks so that maybe why such and improvement. Seems RV manufactures just take the chassis from Ford and add the RV body and don't really upgrade the suspension for the extra weight. From an RV site it seems the most popular upgrades are:

Assure tire pressures are per manufacture for how the RV is loaded
Front end alignment
Heavy Duty Front Sway Bar
Heavy Duty Rear Sway Bar
Heavy Duty RV Shocks
Aftermarket Steering dampner
Rear Trac Bar

Being my RV is a 2020 with only 6500 miles I wouldn't think the shocks and steering damper would be worn out yet. I already have a front and rear sway bar (although they are about 2/3 the size of the heavy duty aftermarket ones) I'm thinking of adding a Rear Trac Bar and going from there. Most of the way to the track is a normal 2 lane road but speed limits are 50-55mph. When trucks (even pickups) come the opposite direction I can really feel the air move me around. It's not white knuckle or anything, but more than I think it should be.

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Originally Posted by DusterKid
I've only driven the rv from the dealership home and than from home to the track and back so I'm still learning. But just driving the rv either with or without a trailer when you hit a bump in the road you feel it in the steering wheel (almost like there's not steering damper). I think this is just natural due to Ford's front suspension. I've always driven Dodge trucks so they have a much better more comfortable feel to me. A buddy of mine has a 01 Ford E350 and he upgraded the steering damper and front shocks to Bilstein and said the shocks made a world of difference. Being a 01 it may of still had the original shocks so that maybe why such and improvement. Seems RV manufactures just take the chassis from Ford and add the RV body and don't really upgrade the suspension for the extra weight. From an RV site it seems the most popular upgrades are:

Assure tire pressures are per manufacture for how the RV is loaded
Front end alignment
Heavy Duty Front Sway Bar
Heavy Duty Rear Sway Bar
Heavy Duty RV Shocks
Aftermarket Steering dampner
Rear Trac Bar

Being my RV is a 2020 with only 6500 miles I wouldn't think the shocks and steering damper would be worn out yet. I already have a front and rear sway bar (although they are about 2/3 the size of the heavy duty aftermarket ones) I'm thinking of adding a Rear Trac Bar and going from there. Most of the way to the track is a normal 2 lane road but speed limits are 50-55mph. When trucks (even pickups) come the opposite direction I can really feel the air move me around. It's not white knuckle or anything, but more than I think it should be.


When I bought my B1500 high top van it had 142k on it. Still had original shocks. Replaced them almost immediately with some Monroe gas shocks on sale from Rockauto. It drove better, but still had an issue maintaining a lane on the interstate if an 18 wheeler passed or with a moderate side wind. Once I could afford the Bilsteins I put them on and it made a night and day difference. Little to no sway anymore, and can maintain a lane driving with one hand and actually relax and enjoy the ride. It isn't about shocks being worn out on a 2020. It is about better parts being available that are more suited to the job. Don't take my word for it though. Check out some of the RV forums and the reviews those that have installed Bilsteins give them.

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Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
BUTTTT oGO ... gotta have LOTS of frame meat for the hitch tsk


Air bags are generally not an issue with that as far as I am aware.. They don't even have to be mounted in direct contact with the frame. A crossmember could be made to go between the rails on top, with the bottom bag pad placed directly over the axle. I've had them on 3 different vehicles now, and the ability to level the load with the air bags makes things a lot more stable and safe.

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Originally Posted by DusterKid
I've only driven the rv from the dealership home and than from home to the track and back so I'm still learning. But just driving the rv either with or without a trailer when you hit a bump in the road you feel it in the steering wheel (almost like there's not steering damper). I think this is just natural due to Ford's front suspension. I've always driven Dodge trucks so they have a much better more comfortable feel to me.


Dodge puts real springs in everything they make, that's why they handle so well.

Ford builds their RV chassis for old people that want a smooth ride. My F53 Class A is the same thing: soft springs, no road feel, mediocre handling. I actually had to put an extra rear leaf on the double-slide side of the machine because it was sagging. laugh2

Stiffer front springs are the only cure in your case and in mine. I've decided to live with mine the way it is and just gloat in the fact that a Ford will never match a Dodge in the handling department. devil

Keep in mind, your RV is light for what you are asking it to do. They are more ideal for towing a Smart car or fiberglass boat, not 5000 plus pounds of car hauler, race car, and tools. No hitch upgrade will fix this either. They Factory rate the hitch for a reason (brakes, transmission, frame, cooling and weight) and match it to DOT expectations.

Could be worse: you could have bought one of them wimpy Blunder Motors RVs. Lol, they don't even make a Class "A" anymore because of how lousy they were.


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