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Re: Dana 60 Identification [Re: CudaKidFam] #2914003
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Originally Posted by CudaKidFam
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If you're building a decent HP hemi the trac-lock is a lot weaker than a power-lock. If I remember Dr. Diff said it would last @ 400 HP, power lock 600HP, and the S trac I bought from him should handle 1,000 HP.


The Track-lock can handle only 400HP?? If that's the case, why would the factory put it behind a 71 Hemi at 425HP?


Probably money and I believe he was talking about racing it and using it hard not just regular street driving. Somebody took the good guts out of that rear and replaced it with the weaker parts.

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Originally Posted by CudaKidFam
Thanks much to all of you who commented. I feel much better now. The funky numbers on the axle had me wondering if I had been taken 20 years ago when I bought this thing. I obviously didn't know enough about Danas back then to ask the right questions, and those numbers, especially the lack of the usual BOM numbers, gave me concern in the here and now. But now that I've cracked it open, and you guys have confirmed it's the real deal, well, all is good now.

Thanks again.


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Just found something very interesting in the 1970 Service Manual for Plymouth vehicles. This could certainly add credibility to the thought that this Dana 60 is an over-the-counter purchase as it has 4.10 gears.

I quote:

“In some instances where a higher numerical ratio gear is installed, a new differential case will have to be purchased and installed due to the difference in ring gear mounting dimensions. The standard ratio gear set used with both the 440 and 426 engines will be 3.54 ratio.”

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No. The switch over was above 4.10. 4.10 still used standard carrier. 4.56 needed the spacer or different carrier.

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Originally Posted by dragon slayer
No. The switch over was above 4.10. 4.10 still used standard carrier. 4.56 needed the spacer or different carrier.


Could be true, but for all we know the 4.10 gears that are in it NOW were not the driving factor for the lack of BOM numbers on the axle from 50 years ago. The statement from the service manual is still a possible explanation for the lack of BOM numbers on this axle.

Re: Dana 60 Identification [Re: CudaKidFam] #2914798
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The 1971 Dana Track Lok is not the first choice for me. My 1971 Hemi Challenger exploded the 456 factory unit about with in a year once slicks were used. I have a 1970 B Body unit in the Challenger since 1972 with 538s not one problem with it and car turned high 9s with a 321 first gear Hemi Crash box 4 speed.If everything looks clean and correct put the dana in your car just be aware if you are hooking hard with good tires that there is a good chance that Track Lok could give you problems in the future. You got the Dana rear end so put it in your car, every Hemi deserves a Dana behind it.


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he has a 340 in it, but is anticipating upgrading the HP a bit. Myself I'd stayy with the 8 3/4 unless it's going to be track duty only with a lot of hard launches. twocents

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Originally Posted by hemicar1971
The 1971 Dana Track Lok is not the first choice for me. My 1971 Hemi Challenger exploded the 456 factory unit about with in a year once slicks were used. I have a 1970 B Body unit in the Challenger since 1972 with 538s not one problem with it and car turned high 9s with a 321 first gear Hemi Crash box 4 speed.If everything looks clean and correct put the dana in your car just be aware if you are hooking hard with good tires that there is a good chance that Track Lok could give you problems in the future. You got the Dana rear end so put it in your car, every Hemi deserves a Dana behind it.


You have that right Trac locks are junk with modern sticky tires. My 340 4-speed e-body 8-3/4 has slightly twisted axles, it is getting a dana powerlock out of a 67 b-body.

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Originally Posted by CudaKidFam
Originally Posted by dragon slayer
No. The switch over was above 4.10. 4.10 still used standard carrier. 4.56 needed the spacer or different carrier.


Could be true, but for all we know the 4.10 gears that are in it NOW were not the driving factor for the lack of BOM numbers on the axle from 50 years ago. The statement from the service manual is still a possible explanation for the lack of BOM numbers on this axle.


Is true, not could be. Look at the options available from purchase books. Look at the Parts manual. You could get a 3.54 or a 4.10 gear. The Dana differential case supported both. The Race literature and the Dana documents support, along with anyone who has raced one or rebuilt them, that the switch over to a different case is 4.56. This gear has a much smaller pinion and the ring gear is required to move over about 1/4". They had a case with a thicker mounting flange, or racers would weld on a spacer plate to shift the ring gear over. The higher ratio was a a dealer available option, but only the carrier was changed with the gear, not the axle housing.

I know you want this to be a factory line part, but I think the wisdom is that production cars had Dana's with the known BOM numbers. Either 3.54, or 4.10. Getting a 4.10 did not require the axle housing to be changed or the differential carrier.

You have a Dana. Maybe some one knows what the BOM was if you bought a housing from a dealer. You number is more like a Dana part number then an assembly BOM.

Go to the spicer website and you can access the parts catalogs for the 68-78 Dana rears for Dodge/Plymouth, and the other manufactures that used it.

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I had this Dana 60 603222-1 9-15-70 B7 The dates on the chart aren't perfect and it wasn't used in 70 but this was a 3:54 Trac-Lok out of a 71 B body. 70's had power lock's. This is the longest and rarest factory Dana.

I'm guessing Cudakid's rear might have been a leftover housing that was never installed in a car. Picture is the Bbody rear next to new S60 E body. The B body Dana is now happily living back in a 71 Hemi B car in Canada.

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Originally Posted by dragon slayer
Originally Posted by CudaKidFam
Originally Posted by dragon slayer
No. The switch over was above 4.10. 4.10 still used standard carrier. 4.56 needed the spacer or different carrier.


Could be true, but for all we know the 4.10 gears that are in it NOW were not the driving factor for the lack of BOM numbers on the axle from 50 years ago. The statement from the service manual is still a possible explanation for the lack of BOM numbers on this axle.


Is true, not could be. Look at the options available from purchase books. Look at the Parts manual. You could get a 3.54 or a 4.10 gear. The Dana differential case supported both. The Race literature and the Dana documents support, along with anyone who has raced one or rebuilt them, that the switch over to a different case is 4.56. This gear has a much smaller pinion and the ring gear is required to move over about 1/4". They had a case with a thicker mounting flange, or racers would weld on a spacer plate to shift the ring gear over. The higher ratio was a a dealer available option, but only the carrier was changed with the gear, not the axle housing.

I know you want this to be a factory line part, but I think the wisdom is that production cars had Dana's with the known BOM numbers. Either 3.54, or 4.10. Getting a 4.10 did not require the axle housing to be changed or the differential carrier.

You have a Dana. Maybe some one knows what the BOM was if you bought a housing from a dealer. You number is more like a Dana part number then an assembly BOM.

Go to the spicer website and you can access the parts catalogs for the 68-78 Dana rears for Dodge/Plymouth, and the other manufactures that used it.


I believe you. Can't seem to find the info you've pointed to however. I don't need any more convincing that I have a real Dana. It just would be nice to figure out the numbers on the axle. And from what I've read above, if I decide to use it, I'll swap the Track-Lock for a Power-Lock.

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Here it is.

I view the dates in the attached document as manufacture dates vice actual car production year. All the dana parts have dates on the main elements. Gears, carrier, housing, axles (I believe). I still am not sure why/what the - # actually means. If you look at the parts installed they are the same for a specific unit. So unless it was a production location, not sure why so many BOM for the same rear assembly.

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Well, didn't find it in there either. But some of the numbers are similar, so... Who knows? Thanks for the info.

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Now I feel like a dummy, didn't realize Danas had no clutch pack springs,Power-Lok 4 pinion gears Trac-Loc only 2 pinion gears,aside from having 4 pinion gears & a split carrier case what else would make a Power-Lok stronger if anything.

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Originally Posted by 71GTX471
Now I feel like a dummy, didn't realize Danas had no clutch pack springs,Power-Lok 4 pinion gears Trac-Loc only 2 pinion gears,aside from having 4 pinion gears & a split carrier case what else would make a Power-Lok stronger if anything.


Twin vs single drive pin for one.

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Have two Danas that I did a search for information on and could never find out what they were out of. I think the number begin with 27. One is in a 1971 Hemi Cuda that was raced and the Dana has 538s and the good Lock Unit.. The other has Ladder bar brackets and the perches are move just like the first one and I could not find those numbers either.and need to take the cover off to see just what is inside. The second Dana we were told it was a 1971 but the numbers do not add up and they do not added up on the first Dana. Will have to go and collect the numbers again this weekend. I have seen 1972 B Bodies with Danas and they must be rare to find.


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The 71-72 B body dana's are the same 603222 that I posted a picture of with my S-60. Best guess's are there were under 500 made. The 72's were just what they had leftover from 71.

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I am sure a lot of truck Dana's got converted to car and race rear ends.

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Originally Posted by 4406bbl
Originally Posted by 71GTX471
Now I feel like a dummy, didn't realize Danas had no clutch pack springs,Power-Lok 4 pinion gears Trac-Loc only 2 pinion gears,aside from having 4 pinion gears & a split carrier case what else would make a Power-Lok stronger if anything.


Twin vs single drive pin for one.


That I knew goes along with the 4 pinion gears.

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