Re: car carrier ship cut up
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They don't tie vehicles down on ocean-going ferrys, why would they tie them down on one of these ?!?! There may be rails on either side of the tires but that's probably it. It would take hours just to chock the wheels let alone strap the vehicles down ! interesting... please explain further... i've been on hundreds of ships, bulkcarriers/tankers , clean and dirty/lng, and dozens of car carriers - and every one has been secured - so await your most interesting comment as maybe its a new style which i have not seen
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Re: car carrier ship cut up
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A cruise ship skirting the coast is nothing like a trans ocean voyage... not matter how big the boat is. If they were left unrestrained they would be dented side, top and bottom.
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Re: car carrier ship cut up
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Re: car carrier ship cut up
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They don't tie vehicles down on ocean-going ferrys, why would they tie them down on one of these ?!?! There may be rails on either side of the tires but that's probably it. It would take hours just to chock the wheels let alone strap the vehicles down ! still awaiting your answer
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Re: car carrier ship cut up
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They don't tie vehicles down on ocean-going ferrys, why would they tie them down on one of these ?!?! There may be rails on either side of the tires but that's probably it. It would take hours just to chock the wheels let alone strap the vehicles down ! still awaiting your answer You realize with the pic in this thread, it appears every vehicle pictured broke free of its restraints, IF they were restrained in the first place. I am also not certain how much impact forces the restraints would see if the ship rolled over on its side in shallow water. Additionally there is the thought that the cars shifting prior to the capsize precipitated the event. It would seem any restraint system would at the min not break from gravity forces alone of the vehicle. Of course its possible, one vehicle became loose, and it started a mass snowball effect. I am not convinced from what I have read here, the vehicles were restrained by anything more then being put in park. I see no indications of any wheel guides, but the pic is not detailed enough to confirm.
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Re: car carrier ship cut up
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Interesting So then, it was not apparently weather related It rolled over, and was pushed by tugs onto a sandbar The stability designer refuses to testify/comment No mention is made of load shifting There is no official declaration of cause yet Decades back I worked a Day cruise on a large ship concert out of Canaveral. It so happened that during the afternoon there was a nearby shuttle launch announced. Most of the passengers proceeded to the upper deck to watch the launch. The ship began to list, and the ship quickly turned to present the stern to the launch pad, I believe to even out the passengers and reduce the list. Who would have thought?
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Re: car carrier ship cut up
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You realize with the pic in this thread, it appears every vehicle pictured broke free of its restraints, IF they were restrained in the first place. . all vehicles are tied down.., You are repeating yourself, but still neglecting to offer anything to support that claim in this incident.
"When one’s appeal is emotional, it does not matter if there is no substance."
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Re: car carrier ship cut up
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You realize with the pic in this thread, it appears every vehicle pictured broke free of its restraints, IF they were restrained in the first place. . all vehicles are tied down.., You are repeating yourself, but still neglecting to offer anything to support that claim in this incident. would you trailer your car without it being secured??? and there lies your answer...
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Re: car carrier ship cut up
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[quote=massdaytona][quote=Stanton] You realize with the pic in this thread, it appears every vehicle pictured broke free of its restraints, IF they were restrained in the first place. . all vehicles are tied down.., You are repeating yourself, but still neglecting to offer anything to support that claim in this incident. would you trailer your car without it being secured??? and there lies your answer... What i or you, or what is safe, normal and/or logical is not the question here, its what was done on this voyage.
And since something went obviously wrong, and the cause has yet to be determined, IMO, EVERYTHING is still on the table in determining that cause.
"When one’s appeal is emotional, it does not matter if there is no substance."
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Re: car carrier ship cut up
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Interesting So then, it was not apparently weather related It rolled over, and was pushed by tugs onto a sandbar The stability designer refuses to testify/comment No mention is made of load shifting There is no official declaration of cause yet Decades back I worked a Day cruise on a large ship concert out of Canaveral. It so happened that during the afternoon there was a nearby shuttle launch announced. Most of the passengers proceeded to the upper deck to watch the launch. The ship began to list, and the ship quickly turned to present the stern to the launch pad, I believe to even out the passengers and reduce the list. Who would have thought? When the enterprise got stuck they had the whole crew run from side to side to try and free her. you can see them all on deck.
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Re: car carrier ship cut up
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Re: car carrier ship cut up
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So that's why Home Depot runs out of tie down straps when ships come into port.
Wonder how much list those straps with withstand, meaning they sure don't look substantial IMO.
Nobody can argue the amount of time that strapping would require both in and out, meaning a big motive to avoid the procedure entirely.
A more detailed pic at some point of the salvaged ship ought to clearly show some remnants of any straps in use.
"When one’s appeal is emotional, it does not matter if there is no substance."
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