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Just got back from the lumberyard....
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03/26/21 04:21 PM
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4 - 4x8 sheets of 1/2" AC plywood
1 - 4x8 sheet of 3/8" CDX plywood
6 - 2x6 8' long boards
$364.02 out the door. Who can afford to build something major at these prices? Even if you aren't building, what do you think your home insurance premiums are going to do?
"We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".
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Re: Just got back from the lumberyard....
[Re: 6PakBee]
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03/26/21 04:29 PM
03/26/21 04:29 PM
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Incredible. And all winter long I’ve been watching semi loads of logs being hauled out of the cascades as there is extreme concern in the logging industry that they will shut down federal lands that were opened up a few years ago.
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Re: Just got back from the lumberyard....
[Re: 6PakBee]
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03/26/21 05:25 PM
03/26/21 05:25 PM
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4 - 4x8 sheets of 1/2" AC plywood
1 - 4x8 sheet of 3/8" CDX plywood
6 - 2x6 8' long boards
$364.02 out the door. Who can afford to build something major at these prices? Even if you aren't building, what do you think your home insurance premiums are going to do? A lot of builders are complaining, a lot of folks are canceling contracts for jobs. Have seen this before but usually after a stock market crash .
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Re: Just got back from the lumberyard....
[Re: NITROUSN]
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03/26/21 08:11 PM
03/26/21 08:11 PM
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A number of lumber mills closed down during the pandemic. Challenges with outbreaks among workers. Tariffs on Canadian wood figure in too.
Prices on wood will go down, It may take 9 months or so.
Price other building materials besides wood. They have all gone up too. Windows, copper, any bath item that is not a commodity loss leader at HD or Lowes. I looked at buying some flagstone for a patio last spring. I was taken aback. I'd guess it is more now.
Indiana, Ohio, Illinois; those places one can buy old stock housing for bottom dollar. Places that are growing, anywhere west of and including Denver in Colorado for instance, have out of this world prices for, land, existing housing stock, and new homes. The next challenge will be when folks with no equity have to weather a downturn. Plus the lack of water in the American West slowly and steadily moves forward.
I also look at labor costs. They are huge. So many subcontractors 25 or so years ago had somewhat aged single seat trucks. Now it seems as if they all have new 3/4 ton crew cabs. Those costs are passed through too.
Gens X, Y, and Z will need deep pockets.
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Re: Just got back from the lumberyard....
[Re: Redbird]
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03/26/21 08:33 PM
03/26/21 08:33 PM
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Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy
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A number of lumber mills closed down during the pandemic. Challenges with outbreaks among workers. Tariffs on Canadian wood figure in too.
Prices on wood will go down, It may take 9 months or so.
Price other building materials besides wood. They have all gone up too. Windows, copper, any bath item that is not a commodity loss leader at HD or Lowes. I looked at buying some flagstone for a patio last spring. I was taken aback. I'd guess it is more now.
Indiana, Ohio, Illinois; those places one can buy old stock housing for bottom dollar. Places that are growing, anywhere west of and including Denver in Colorado for instance, have out of this world prices for, land, existing housing stock, and new homes. The next challenge will be when folks with no equity have to weather a downturn. Plus the lack of water in the American West slowly and steadily moves forward.
Gens X, Y, and Z will need deep pockets.
You would be surprised what houses are going for in the midwest, mine just had a 20% increase in the last 16 months, can't believe anyone would want to live here... 
The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.
JB Rhinehart, Realist
A-Body's RULE!
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Re: Just got back from the lumberyard....
[Re: Rhinodart]
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03/26/21 08:51 PM
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Superfreak
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Around here, lumber almost doubled since last year.
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Re: Just got back from the lumberyard....
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03/26/21 09:17 PM
03/26/21 09:17 PM
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A Red State
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Around here, lumber almost doubled since last year. Around here it's at least tripled. A 2x4x16 ft used to be $4.50 to $5.00, now they're $16.34.  It's crazy. 
Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
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Re: Just got back from the lumberyard....
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03/26/21 10:19 PM
03/26/21 10:19 PM
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Highland, MI.
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Lumber has at least tripled here in the past 14 months. 1 sheet of 5/8" 4x8 OSB is now around $28.00 a sheet. 5 years ago, I'd see stacks of them outside of Lowes for $6.88 a sheet. I've got a big basement project on hold until I can find my way back to Earth.
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Re: Just got back from the lumberyard....
[Re: dOrk !]
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03/27/21 12:07 AM
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Fulton County, PA
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Local chain auto parts joint out of a lot of stuff. Oil, chemicals, etc. Warehouse has none to send them. Empty shelves at the grocery store. It just feels like there's some bad s*** brewing.
Last edited by CMcAllister; 03/27/21 12:08 AM.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: Just got back from the lumberyard....
[Re: 71TA]
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03/27/21 09:58 AM
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Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy
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Raw materials for my gasket business have gone up 15-25% a couple times now over the past year and all are threatening again. Worse than that is not actually being able to get anything. I buy 3M spray adhesive in 250lb 5ft tall 2ft dia tanks. Used to just call and order and see a new tank in a few days. The distributor said there is NOTHING. NOTHING AT ALL. AND there's a production issue which has a hold stop on their production for 2 MONTHS. Only one alternative and that company is 6-8 weeks.
Emailed to order (8) 4ft x 600ft 2000lb rolls of masticated rubber for splash shields. I checked 2 months ago. 22 rolls in stock. Today they had one and a half rolls. The guy asked if I wanted them. HELL YES. Said he wasnt sure when they'd get more "might be months" he said. WTH?!?!?
Spoke to a builder last week about having a building put up. THE GUY TALKED ME OUT OF IT. Said material prices were crazy. Said a cheap building would be $100/sqft. He offered me a nice 14,000ft building about 15 miles north of the Detroit area in a more rural area (WHICH I LIKE) at $62/sqft but about . With all the marijuana growers gobbling up all the industrial buildings in the area and pushing the prices up, $62/ft is cheap.
So its not just lumber. That may work out to my advantage since I am going to put my 36,000 sq ft old Chrysler Plymouth dealership building up for sale soon. I HAVE to escape from Illinoise finally... 
The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.
JB Rhinehart, Realist
A-Body's RULE!
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Re: Just got back from the lumberyard....
[Re: Rhinodart]
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03/27/21 10:49 AM
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A number of lumber mills closed down during the pandemic. Challenges with outbreaks among workers. Tariffs on Canadian wood figure in too.
Prices on wood will go down, It may take 9 months or so.
Price other building materials besides wood. They have all gone up too. Windows, copper, any bath item that is not a commodity loss leader at HD or Lowes. I looked at buying some flagstone for a patio last spring. I was taken aback. I'd guess it is more now.
Indiana, Ohio, Illinois; those places one can buy old stock housing for bottom dollar. Places that are growing, anywhere west of and including Denver in Colorado for instance, have out of this world prices for, land, existing housing stock, and new homes. The next challenge will be when folks with no equity have to weather a downturn. Plus the lack of water in the American West slowly and steadily moves forward.
Gens X, Y, and Z will need deep pockets.
You would be surprised what houses are going for in the midwest, mine just had a 20% increase in the last 16 months, can't believe anyone would want to live here... I agree^^ My buddy is a realtor...you'd be surprised what stuff is selling for around here. Very little inventory. NOTHING sells for asking price...there is always bidding wars! Crazy!!
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Re: Just got back from the lumberyard....
[Re: Mastershake340]
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03/27/21 11:53 AM
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Eagle, Idaho
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I tried buying a seatpost for a bike I'm working on and those are backordered for 2 months. Like to buy some local stuff when I can, but more and more I end up getting forced into buying stuff online and paying shipping for it.
Hardware stores are struggling to keep sandpaper and stuff like that on the shelf. Also found out that the industrial dust masks with the changeable charcoal filters are hard to get as people bought them to wear because of the virus.
We tried making ourselves wealthy by selling homes to each other years ago, and it failed badly last time. We learned nothing and Crash 2.0 is building momentum.
Last edited by Neil; 03/27/21 11:53 AM.
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Re: Just got back from the lumberyard....
[Re: Dcuda69]
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03/27/21 06:56 PM
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Warren, MI
71TA
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A number of lumber mills closed down during the pandemic. Challenges with outbreaks among workers. Tariffs on Canadian wood figure in too.
Prices on wood will go down, It may take 9 months or so.
Price other building materials besides wood. They have all gone up too. Windows, copper, any bath item that is not a commodity loss leader at HD or Lowes. I looked at buying some flagstone for a patio last spring. I was taken aback. I'd guess it is more now.
Indiana, Ohio, Illinois; those places one can buy old stock housing for bottom dollar. Places that are growing, anywhere west of and including Denver in Colorado for instance, have out of this world prices for, land, existing housing stock, and new homes. The next challenge will be when folks with no equity have to weather a downturn. Plus the lack of water in the American West slowly and steadily moves forward.
Gens X, Y, and Z will need deep pockets.
You would be surprised what houses are going for in the midwest, mine just had a 20% increase in the last 16 months, can't believe anyone would want to live here... I agree^^ My buddy is a realtor...you'd be surprised what stuff is selling for around here. Very little inventory. NOTHING sells for asking price...there is always bidding wars! Crazy!! My daughter who graduated as a Physician Assistant a year ago, making very ok money, and her fiancé bought their first house. It's in an old money neighborhood but you can throw a baseball to Detroit, LITERALLY. Street is narrow. Driveway is so tight you need to grease the car to get it into the backyard. NO WAY I would have bought it. I even asked if they could still back out when they did the final walk though but kids have to learn the hard way. No way she was gonna listen to an old fool like me. $350K!!! This is the midwest. Not California or New Jersey. Radio program yesterday said if you are looking for a house under $300K, GOOD LUCK. Told the wife we should sell. Too many yard signs I dont agree with going up anyway. I have my eye on this place. On an island that can only get to by Ferry. 1500 full time residents. IS THAT GREAT OR WHAT? Like a vacation home but 45 min drive to work. Might not get the chance again. 
Last edited by 71TA; 03/27/21 06:58 PM.
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Re: Just got back from the lumberyard....
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03/28/21 10:38 AM
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A number of lumber mills closed down during the pandemic. Challenges with outbreaks among workers. Tariffs on Canadian wood figure in too.
Prices on wood will go down, It may take 9 months or so.
Price other building materials besides wood. They have all gone up too. Windows, copper, any bath item that is not a commodity loss leader at HD or Lowes. I looked at buying some flagstone for a patio last spring. I was taken aback. I'd guess it is more now.
Indiana, Ohio, Illinois; those places one can buy old stock housing for bottom dollar. Places that are growing, anywhere west of and including Denver in Colorado for instance, have out of this world prices for, land, existing housing stock, and new homes. The next challenge will be when folks with no equity have to weather a downturn. Plus the lack of water in the American West slowly and steadily moves forward.
Gens X, Y, and Z will need deep pockets.
You would be surprised what houses are going for in the midwest, mine just had a 20% increase in the last 16 months, can't believe anyone would want to live here... The average house here sells in a couple hours at or above a greatly elevated price. None to be found except a $100,000 house asking $180,000. The market for housing in Illinois is at a record high despite people thinking otherwise. Chicago is only a small spot in the northeast part of state with over 400 miles of Illinois south of it.
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