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Re: Does this seem like a good combo? [Re: 8urvette] #2883501
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I never had much luck with lower compression, decent cammed 383's with a single plane intake. Every time I tried it they were gutless.

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Re: Does this seem like a good combo? [Re: TonyS451] #2883538
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Did you verify TDC? 41 degrees of total timing is not where a Mopar combustion chamber usually works best. 34-36 is the usual benchmark.

Which leads to the next question, is the cam degreed in properly as in not just installed dot to dot?

It could definitely use a better converter. A stock Hemi spec converter at a minimum should be a good compromise for your intended application.

It should make more steam than a stock 383 and they never had any problems wearing out rear tires in a Roadrunner so check and correct the basics and it should do OK.

Kevin

Re: Does this seem like a good combo? [Re: Twostick] #2883546
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Is the EFI dialed in pretty close? Does it control your timing too? These things can seriously affect how well you combo will work too.

I don't think a single plane intake is as much of a bottom end torque liability with EFI as it might be with a carburetor.

Kevin

Re: Does this seem like a good combo? [Re: justinp61] #2883552
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Originally Posted by justinp61
I never had much luck with lower compression, decent cammed 383's with a single plane intake. Every time I tried it they were gutless.


Could be as simple as getting the correct cam for this combo? OR move the cam around (advance it) and check the cranking compression ??


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Re: Does this seem like a good combo? [Re: n20mstr] #2883576
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“If it were me”, it would get a small solid cam and a decent converter.

Just don’t kid yourself into thinking this will be “pretty close” to how the car would be if it had a 500” motor in it.
It won’t be.

It’s about 150-200ft/lb spread at peak tq........ which really changes how the car feels when you push the pedal down.


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Re: Does this seem like a good combo? [Re: 8urvette] #2883598
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On your deal if the drivetrain eats up 10 % or more (which most due eat up more) of the HP then the motors is making around 330 HP.
I would install a bigger exhaust system, 3.0 or maybe 3.5 inch from the collectors back on the car first and see if that frees up 20 to 50 HP, NO kidding scope
The bigger motor will need it and you will probably be pleasantly surprised with the gains in power from idle to WOT twocents
My old 1969 Dart GTS picked up from 12.23 at 109.5 MPH in the 1/4 mile at LACR to 11.39 at 117.6 MPH by removing the 2.5 inch exhaust system which had a set of Thrust Corvair 2.5 inch turbo muffs with 2.5 inch pipes form the collectors to the muffs about 30 inches ands then about 24 inches of 2.5 pipes exiting to the front edge of the rear wheel wells shock scope
That motor was a stock bore and stroke 440 motor with a set of TRW pop up pistons with around 11.2 to 1 compression ratio with a set of iron 906 heads that had a little bit of work done on them, no where as good as the heads available today like the 440 Source heads. TM7 intake with a 850 Holley DP carb, small Crane solid roller cam with ductile iron rocker arms, no real all out race parts for that time shruggy
That car did end up running 11.17 ET at 122.+ MPH at Las Vegas later that year in November during a cold spell.
My Duster with a 511 C.I. pump gas 400 stroker motor with a 3.0 inch exhaust system picked up .020 ET and .2 MPH in the 1/8 mile by removing the complete exhaust system which exited at the rear bumper shruggy I think the weight loss was most of those small gains work shruggy
That car had a set of Hooker fenderwell 2.0 inch primary pipes with 3.5 inch collectors headers with 3.0 inch pipes straight back under the rocker panels on the side of the car (they hid the ladder bar mounts devil) to the Magnaflow 14x7x3.0 in and out oval straight through muffs mounted behind the rear end exiting at the rear bumper up

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Re: Does this seem like a good combo? [Re: Twostick] #2883826
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Originally Posted by Twostick
Did you verify TDC? 41 degrees of total timing is not where a Mopar combustion chamber usually works best. 34-36 is the usual benchmark.

Which leads to the next question, is the cam degreed in properly as in not just installed dot to dot?

It could definitely use a better converter. A stock Hemi spec converter at a minimum should be a good compromise for your intended application.

It should make more steam than a stock 383 and they never had any problems wearing out rear tires in a Roadrunner so check and correct the basics and it should do OK.

Kevin




I verified TDC several times, i thought the balancer had slipped. It hadn't.
The cam is degreed in, I tried 3 different attempts with it and no difference in performance. The cam was built custom spec'd out for forced induction. However plans changed and it is no longer going to be force inducted.

Re: Does this seem like a good combo? [Re: Twostick] #2883827
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Originally Posted by Twostick
Is the EFI dialed in pretty close? Does it control your timing too? These things can seriously affect how well you combo will work too.

I don't think a single plane intake is as much of a bottom end torque liability with EFI as it might be with a carburetor.

Kevin



yes the EFI controls the timing and all of it looks great on the dyno.

Re: Does this seem like a good combo? [Re: Cab_Burge] #2883828
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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
On your deal if the drivetrain eats up 10 % or more (which most due eat up more) of the HP then the motors is making around 330 HP.
I would install a bigger exhaust system, 3.0 or maybe 3.5 inch from the collectors back on the car first and see if that frees up 20 to 50 HP, NO kidding scope
The bigger motor will need it and you will probably be pleasantly surprised with the gains in power from idle to WOT twocents
My old 1969 Dart GTS picked up from 12.23 at 109.5 MPH in the 1/4 mile at LACR to 11.39 at 117.6 MPH by removing the 2.5 inch exhaust system which had a set of Thrust Corvair 2.5 inch turbo muffs with 2.5 inch pipes form the collectors to the muffs about 30 inches ands then about 24 inches of 2.5 pipes exiting to the front edge of the rear wheel wells shock scope
That motor was a stock bore and stroke 440 motor with a set of TRW pop up pistons with around 11.2 to 1 compression ratio with a set of iron 906 heads that had a little bit of work done on them, no where as good as the heads available today like the 440 Source heads. TM7 intake with a 850 Holley DP carb, small Crane solid roller cam with ductile iron rocker arms, no real all out race parts for that time shruggy
That car did end up running 11.17 ET at 122.+ MPH at Las Vegas later that year in November during a cold spell.
My Duster with a 511 C.I. pump gas 400 stroker motor with a 3.0 inch exhaust system picked up .020 ET and .2 MPH in the 1/8 mile by removing the complete exhaust system which exited at the rear bumper shruggy I think the weight loss was most of those small gains work shruggy
That car had a set of Hooker fenderwell 2.0 inch primary pipes with 3.5 inch collectors headers with 3.0 inch pipes straight back under the rocker panels on the side of the car (they hid the ladder bar mounts devil) to the Magnaflow 14x7x3.0 in and out oval straight through muffs mounted behind the rear end exiting at the rear bumper up


We are going to do a smaller cam swap and add some stall.

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